RE: New Miura concept photos arrive
Discussion
Lambo's - Diablo was the last real one - you have to work them. They come with all the obvious raw edges, are way too loud and are a days work to drive for just a stint . . . but boy do they have character: buckets! Rari is the wife and Lambo is the mistress . . . all imo off course. All I know is the guys who rolled the Miura loved it to bits and waved away all her discomfort . . .
Not another retro concept 
I don't understand all this nonsense about does it fot the Lambo ethos (what is that anyway.... where is it defined????) and all this snobbish rubbish about the Audi cars not being proper Lambo's .....
Of course this car doesn't replace the original (it's more expensive for a start...) but the key issue is that it will be usable - I'm sorry I've never heard anyone say the original is useable.
I like it, why make it look exactly the same? If you want that, buy an original (imho the most beautiful car ever made). If you want a car that drives like a Gallardo, but looks like a Miura (albeit updated) then buy this.
If you don't like it, don't buy one.
Of course this car doesn't replace the original (it's more expensive for a start...) but the key issue is that it will be usable - I'm sorry I've never heard anyone say the original is useable.
I like it, why make it look exactly the same? If you want that, buy an original (imho the most beautiful car ever made). If you want a car that drives like a Gallardo, but looks like a Miura (albeit updated) then buy this.
If you don't like it, don't buy one.
klassiekerrally said:
Jota anyone?
No, thanks. That's about as ugly as a Miura can get...
Hahahah, I'm glad you said that! I think a lot of people are mind-bended into thinking the original Muira actually looks nice...personally I think it's a bit poo and was a bit sickended to find it gracing my supercars calendar front page this year.
The Jota was a bit of a "max power" Miura ie wings, front splitter, chopped about panels and 4 tail pipes. IMHO spoilt the purity of line, and was outdated as by that time the LP400 was on the scene with improved aerodynamics. The P400 and S were the pretty Miura's before the beefed up fatter arches SV. Let classics RIP, I just wish VW would stick to making shopping trollies and keep their sticky paws out of Italy/France.
inkfallsfromchairmode:guydw said:
I don't understand all this nonsense about does it fot the Lambo ethos (what is that anyway.... where is it defined????) and all this snobbish rubbish about the Audi cars not being proper Lambo's .....
Of course this car doesn't replace the original (it's more expensive for a start...) but the key issue is that it will be usable - I'm sorry I've never heard anyone say the original is useable.
I like it, why make it look exactly the same? If you want that, buy an original (imho the most beautiful car ever made). If you want a car that drives like a Gallardo, but looks like a Miura (albeit updated) then buy this.
If you don't like it, don't buy one.
well said that man If I had a quid for every person who's tried to tell me what to like and dislike about lamborhgini based on 'ethos' and 'heritage' i'd could have paid for all my 'modding' several times over. Apparently it is near sacrilege for me to dare change a diablo, and clearly how dare they build them in Germany or even have some decent project management for the first tmie ever.
Its a f**king car for chrissakes. i personally think the GT40 replica was a better 'new take on an old classic' maybe than this specific design, but aside from personal looks choice, there is nothing much to say on the matter! old supercars SUCK.... they just do. I am in a very lucky position of having driven a lot, rather than reading about them. The old GT40 - if you could keep it running - wasnt even exciting. it was just scary. I have drive one Muira. The windows fell into the door panels every time you braked hard. It didnt really stop and it was worth so much of someone else's money I used about 1/10th or the throttle. and milkfloats kept overtaking. all-in-all, I'd rather have a newer, more usable car than continually make excuses about why I actually cant dirve it anwyehere, leave it anywhere or actually park the bastard
nightmare said:
I don't understand all this nonsense about does it fot the Lambo ethos (what is that anyway.... where is it defined????) and all this snobbish rubbish about the Audi cars not being proper Lambo's .....
I don't think it is in keeping with the general rule of lamborghinis being style statements that looks superfuturistic. Compare countach / muria, diablo, murcielago to their contemporary road going rivals. They look like they are 20 years newer in design terms. This looks 20 years older - that is a BAD THING
nightmare said:
Of course this car doesn't replace the original (it's more expensive for a start...) but the key issue is that it will be usable - I'm sorry I've never heard anyone say the original is useable.
I like it, why make it look exactly the same? If you want that, buy an original (imho the most beautiful car ever made). If you want a car that drives like a Gallardo, but looks like a Miura (albeit updated) then buy this.
Completely fair. Don't mind people buying it, but for me this is more Jaguar S Type, than Ford GT. It's using the past as a pastiche through lack of imagination. I expect Ford/Jaguar to lack imagination. However imagination being the main ingredient in lambo it's a worry when it's missing!
guydw said:
If you don't like it, don't buy one.
Indeed and well said too. I shan't be buying one
More than happy with the Audi input, great that theyre reliable, and that the interiors are now really top drawer. I just think lambos should look like they were a extra in buck rogers, not champion the wonder horse thats all.
I mean look at the masser birdcage? Thats much more like it
>> Edited by mr_tony on Tuesday 10th January 17:12
Although I have never had the chance to even sit in a Miura I think it is fair to say we can all be thankful this car won't be like the original car in terms of drivability and reliability.
As far as ethos are concerned perhaps we could even go as far as saying that Lamborghini sold out when they bothered building (perhaps "putting together" might be more appropriate) cars instead of sticking to sensible agricultural tools.
As far as "innovation" is concerned I strongly believe it's better to develop an ill-born concept such as a transverse-mounted mid-engined supercar than building just another Gallardo/Murciélago.
Whoever complained when Pagani used the much-used supercar recipe to build the Zonda ?
I spot a contradiction among detractors who reclaim "innovation" above all.
That new Miura will prove that VAG can not only refine a very exciting car (downsizing and polishing around the edges the original mid-engine V12 supercar archetype to make the Gallardo) but also revive and glorify the car that peaked Lamborghini as an innovative and credible fine automobiles maker (350 GT, 400 GT, Miura) before they drowned themselves in rather ridiculous over-engined wedges.
As a "new" car this forthcoming Miura makes more sense than even the Ford GT for the simple reason it does not even have any racing heritage to flag.
Let's just hope it won't pretend to be some meaningless Enzo-beater with paddle shifters and an instant power display.
>> Edited by Thom on Tuesday 10th January 18:35
As far as ethos are concerned perhaps we could even go as far as saying that Lamborghini sold out when they bothered building (perhaps "putting together" might be more appropriate) cars instead of sticking to sensible agricultural tools.
As far as "innovation" is concerned I strongly believe it's better to develop an ill-born concept such as a transverse-mounted mid-engined supercar than building just another Gallardo/Murciélago.
Whoever complained when Pagani used the much-used supercar recipe to build the Zonda ?
I spot a contradiction among detractors who reclaim "innovation" above all.
That new Miura will prove that VAG can not only refine a very exciting car (downsizing and polishing around the edges the original mid-engine V12 supercar archetype to make the Gallardo) but also revive and glorify the car that peaked Lamborghini as an innovative and credible fine automobiles maker (350 GT, 400 GT, Miura) before they drowned themselves in rather ridiculous over-engined wedges.
As a "new" car this forthcoming Miura makes more sense than even the Ford GT for the simple reason it does not even have any racing heritage to flag.
Let's just hope it won't pretend to be some meaningless Enzo-beater with paddle shifters and an instant power display.
>> Edited by Thom on Tuesday 10th January 18:35
Church of Noise said:
Dinkel, . . . gorgeous pictures . . .
Cheers mate, the new concepts has some hints of the Jota doesn't it? How can one say the Jota is 'not luvly', it's a bit sharper and more racy and lacks the feminine touch the early / original Miura has . . . But I'm sure as time goes by this new Miura wil develop into a fine thingy. V12 NA 1000 hp
Those about 600 horsies will do nicely thanx.Agree with Mr Tony about the Maser Birdcage.
Your other points are spot on too. I think my main point is that lots of non-Lambo owners have these very strange views about their personal take on what a Lambo should be. I think that sometimes the manufacturers you prefer make a car you like, sometimes they don't. So long as someone does, who cares ?
As far as the anti Audi snobbishness.... that's the world we live in, get over it, it's just the same as you have to accept that in our world people will buy football clubs that we don't like, and lots of other things.
On reflection I'd rather have an original and just accept that it's a nightmare to live with - though what I'd really like is the last Audi-fied Diablo (like Anjums ...)
Your other points are spot on too. I think my main point is that lots of non-Lambo owners have these very strange views about their personal take on what a Lambo should be. I think that sometimes the manufacturers you prefer make a car you like, sometimes they don't. So long as someone does, who cares ?
As far as the anti Audi snobbishness.... that's the world we live in, get over it, it's just the same as you have to accept that in our world people will buy football clubs that we don't like, and lots of other things.
On reflection I'd rather have an original and just accept that it's a nightmare to live with - though what I'd really like is the last Audi-fied Diablo (like Anjums ...)
As I've said before, it's by no means going to be a 'bad car', but it still misses the point. Having said that, I wonder whether replicas might have something to do with this car itself.
Thing is, Lamborghini have always been so concerned with automotive futurism that they don't at all mind people building replicas of their older designs and the Lamborghini family have even endorsed one or two of them. Point is, by the time replica builders have started copying Lamborghini, Lamborghini will have started doing something else.
Then VW get their hands on Lamborghini, and realise the only way they can safeguard their adoptive heritage whilst making sure all the cash flows into their pockets is to build a 'replica' themselves.
And with it they reveal the VW, as opposed to Lamborghini, thinking and 'genes' behind this thing. A good car, but no better in spirit than a Prova replica with a tuned Alfa V6.
Thing is, Lamborghini have always been so concerned with automotive futurism that they don't at all mind people building replicas of their older designs and the Lamborghini family have even endorsed one or two of them. Point is, by the time replica builders have started copying Lamborghini, Lamborghini will have started doing something else.
Then VW get their hands on Lamborghini, and realise the only way they can safeguard their adoptive heritage whilst making sure all the cash flows into their pockets is to build a 'replica' themselves.
And with it they reveal the VW, as opposed to Lamborghini, thinking and 'genes' behind this thing. A good car, but no better in spirit than a Prova replica with a tuned Alfa V6.
twincam16 said:
Then VW get their hands on Lamborghini, and realise the only way they can safeguard their adoptive heritage whilst making sure all the cash flows into their pockets is to build a 'replica' themselves.
Walter had 'his' poster above his desk for ages . . . and now he's got the chance to do it. dinkel said:
"The Lamborghini Miura Concept will be the first Lamborghini vehicle to be conjured from the pen of Walter de’ Silva, Head of Lamborghini Design. De Silva’s other responsibilities include serving as Head of Design of Audi Group. The talented designer’s idea for the new concept was simple: a retro-inspired look heralding back to one of the auto world’s most famous icons, the legendary Lamborghini Miura."
OK . . . Walter, this one will be finished nicely then . . . now give us some non-confusing engine specs please.
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