Gallardo to 997s to 360 spider?
Discussion
Chaps,
I drive around 3000 miles a year, either commuting to work (yawn) or having a dedicated blast on a Sunday. I have garaging even though I live in Central London so thats the first thing covered!
I love the 997, but when I see it in the garage, I keep thinking that I could have something more 'special' as I use the Cayenne for family trips, day to day stuff. I was thinking of a lovely '73 Dino from Nick Cartwright (posssibly to fragile) but now I'm thinking either 2003/4 Murceilago (took a beating on the Gallardo so still hurting, but it seems a lot of car for £130k) or a 360 spider (red/crema) , which seems a bit more sensible and easier to live with (all things are relative!).
I wanted to ask you chaps - if you've driven them both, would you take the stick shift over the F1 on the 360 - even with the updated clutch, that I'm told is essential? Has anyone lived with a 360spider for a considerable time and can they give me a warts and all appraisal?
I found the cabin of the 360 a much nicer place to be compared to my old Gallardo - I'm test driving a red/crema/shields 360 manual tommorrow, so looking forward to it.
I was worried about hosing another £30k to £40k in a year on a F430 so didn't consider one - it seems like 360s of all types have slipped 10% in the last 3-6 months and they say the best time to buy a spider is in the winter.....
I'd really appreciate your thoughts.
Jim
I drive around 3000 miles a year, either commuting to work (yawn) or having a dedicated blast on a Sunday. I have garaging even though I live in Central London so thats the first thing covered!
I love the 997, but when I see it in the garage, I keep thinking that I could have something more 'special' as I use the Cayenne for family trips, day to day stuff. I was thinking of a lovely '73 Dino from Nick Cartwright (posssibly to fragile) but now I'm thinking either 2003/4 Murceilago (took a beating on the Gallardo so still hurting, but it seems a lot of car for £130k) or a 360 spider (red/crema) , which seems a bit more sensible and easier to live with (all things are relative!).
I wanted to ask you chaps - if you've driven them both, would you take the stick shift over the F1 on the 360 - even with the updated clutch, that I'm told is essential? Has anyone lived with a 360spider for a considerable time and can they give me a warts and all appraisal?
I found the cabin of the 360 a much nicer place to be compared to my old Gallardo - I'm test driving a red/crema/shields 360 manual tommorrow, so looking forward to it.
I was worried about hosing another £30k to £40k in a year on a F430 so didn't consider one - it seems like 360s of all types have slipped 10% in the last 3-6 months and they say the best time to buy a spider is in the winter.....
I'd really appreciate your thoughts.
Jim
First person to spring to mind is GI Jnr, who's had his for quite a while and uses it both for private and commercial usage.
My relatively short (
) experience in the 360, I would say the F1 comes into it's element when taking a severe beating over A roads.
The manual in my eyes is the all-rounder.
My relatively short (
) experience in the 360, I would say the F1 comes into it's element when taking a severe beating over A roads. The manual in my eyes is the all-rounder.
If you want to do that in an F1 you have to put it into neutral, Had a 360 spider for 4 months now and love it. 
Had a 360 modena F1 for 2 years and thoroughly enjoed it.
Its personal choice really on the F1/Manual thing. I do miss the F1 on spirited drives but prefer the manual in traffic.
Go for the 360 spider red/crema is an easy resale choice and looks lovely
>> Edited by rviant on Wednesday 11th January 21:13
Had a 360 modena F1 for 2 years and thoroughly enjoed it. Its personal choice really on the F1/Manual thing. I do miss the F1 on spirited drives but prefer the manual in traffic.
Go for the 360 spider red/crema is an easy resale choice and looks lovely
>> Edited by rviant on Wednesday 11th January 21:13
I got my old 360 Spider a few years back and had it the same time as my 996tt.
I intended to get rid of the porca, but generally found I had more fun in the porca than donkey.
I had the roof mechanism changed 3 times though, so it spoilt it a bit for me. In fact the first time it failed was outside Scuderia systems on the way to a meet, which was a bit embarassing :-)
This isnt a choice to be made with your head though, you have to go with your heart.
I intended to get rid of the porca, but generally found I had more fun in the porca than donkey.
I had the roof mechanism changed 3 times though, so it spoilt it a bit for me. In fact the first time it failed was outside Scuderia systems on the way to a meet, which was a bit embarassing :-)
This isnt a choice to be made with your head though, you have to go with your heart.
Lambojim - More money than sense I think. Stop wasting money.The 997 is a great car but a little boring.Loads of them around etc etc.
What you should do is buy a good 246 Dino and a 328GTS. Let your Father look after one of them and swap around every so often. NO more boredom, No more depreciation. You know it makes sense.Ball in your court.
Love,
Dad
What you should do is buy a good 246 Dino and a 328GTS. Let your Father look after one of them and swap around every so often. NO more boredom, No more depreciation. You know it makes sense.Ball in your court.
Love,
Dad
dealmaker said:
NAH!
Get the Murcie! (You know you want to!.....go on....come back over to the DARK side!)
I know an immaculate one for sale...
The 360's more practical, but the Murci is in another league altogether. You have to do it, and with 02 - 03 cars already having taken a beating, and the UK allocation of new MY06 cars already sold, I think the residuals on Murci's will slow down this year.
Tuan
well we have something in common in that we have both had Gallardos!
I think there is no answer to your problem!
1. Gallardo- we dont want that again do we?? i dont at least!
2. the 997 might be a touch... well a little dull but you know where you are with that! reliable and you know exactly where you are with pricing.
3. Murci, well we are back to the fact you have only 1 lambo dealer and tehrefore a very limited market to resel it and what will taht re-sale price be??? (I shudder to think) and it might be a really great car but it os not agile its a big beast and in london how useful is that! Then there is the question of what happens out of warranty- major engine problem there would go a good way towards half paying for the 997!
onto the good old 360 spider- well of course the values have fallen off the edge since the 430 came out- depends if you really like the look of the 360- i never did and to drive im sure its ok but the 430 really is MILES apart in the way it goes- its a different drive.
Would one buy a 430, well no! because they will be made in greater quantities than the 360 so in a short period the loss will be lets say 50K over 14 months.
Well i think keep the 997 and wait for 430 to drop and then get one- or buy a nice 328, a nice drive, lose no money and enjoy the fact that eevrytime you take it out its not costing you £1000 a look.
I think there is no answer to your problem!
1. Gallardo- we dont want that again do we?? i dont at least!
2. the 997 might be a touch... well a little dull but you know where you are with that! reliable and you know exactly where you are with pricing.
3. Murci, well we are back to the fact you have only 1 lambo dealer and tehrefore a very limited market to resel it and what will taht re-sale price be??? (I shudder to think) and it might be a really great car but it os not agile its a big beast and in london how useful is that! Then there is the question of what happens out of warranty- major engine problem there would go a good way towards half paying for the 997!
onto the good old 360 spider- well of course the values have fallen off the edge since the 430 came out- depends if you really like the look of the 360- i never did and to drive im sure its ok but the 430 really is MILES apart in the way it goes- its a different drive.
Would one buy a 430, well no! because they will be made in greater quantities than the 360 so in a short period the loss will be lets say 50K over 14 months.
Well i think keep the 997 and wait for 430 to drop and then get one- or buy a nice 328, a nice drive, lose no money and enjoy the fact that eevrytime you take it out its not costing you £1000 a look.
lambojim said:
I wanted to ask you chaps - if you've driven them both, would you take the stick shift over the F1 on the 360 - even with the updated clutch, that I'm told is essential?
In my limited experience of 5 months of ownership the F1 is OK but if I was buying again I’d get a manual.
The F1 is great when thrashing along the twisties as you can change up, whilst accelerating out of, or down when breaking for, a corner without taking your hands off the wheel. This especially useful when you’re cornering hard and having to fight bump steer or apply opposite lock.
It’s also useful when pulling away from lights or negotiating roundabouts one handed because if you’re doing something with your other hand you don’t have to drop whatever it is you’re doing to grab a gear. Not that I do that often officer
However, it’s a PITA in traffic and when parking. If you take the advice to always put it in neutral when the car is stationary, to save the clutch, you need to use both hands every few seconds in stop-start traffic. I also find the clutch overheats quite quickly when you’re in crawling traffic as you have to let it ride the clutch in 1st or 2nd gear. This results in a very annoying warning beep not to mention excessive clutch wear. In a manual you can just drop the clutch and let it coast.
Again, parking is a pain as reverse is a separate lever not on the steering wheel flippers so you have to reach down to change. I find it a small and fiddly lever to use plus the gear selection seems slower than when selecting forward gears. This is particularly frustrating when you’re trying to execute a parking manoeuvre that requires a lot of forward and reverse switching. I think I could park the car much more quickly if I had a manual.
I've heard Murcie's just aren't shifting (just look at the current stock on autotrader , it's been the same for months)
I think any 02/03 Murcie will drop another 20k during the next year. Factor in a clutch change (city motoring) @ 6k and that's expensive motoring.
There are some great deals on Spiders at the moment - I think depreciation wise/usability wise you can't go wrong
Jonny5 said:
I think any 02/03 Murcie will drop another 20k during the next year. Factor in a clutch change (city motoring) @ 6k and that's expensive motoring.
It'll be slower than this I think. The UK allocation for MY06's are gone, and the MY07 is the faclift/uprated model with 650 BHP and a price tag of over £200k. As soon as people with £170k start wandering into the dealers and asking for a new Murci to be told then that they can't have a new one until 2007 and then to be told it'll be a lot more money, they'll be looking towards the uses market...
I'm no expert though...
Tuan
GI Jnr said:
I think any 02/03 Murcie will drop another 20k during the next year. Factor in a clutch change (city motoring) @ 6k and that's expensive motoring.
It'll be slower than this I think. The UK allocation for MY06's are gone, and the MY07 is the faclift/uprated model with 650 BHP and a price tag of over £200k. As soon as people with £170k start wandering into the dealers and asking for a new Murci to be told then that they can't have a new one until 2007 and then to be told it'll be a lot more money, they'll be looking towards the uses market...
I'm no expert though...
Tuan
I'd agree Tuan - the factory is now fully loaded with Gallardo Spider production and G/M car slots - difficult to get an 06 car at all and as you say a decent price hike for 07 models.
Jon's observation is also correct in that the cars haven't been moving over the winter - but my view is that this is, as always, due to the season - few people buy Murcie's for winter use and to use on salted roads! Once spring is in the air the deals will start to flow - as they always have!
Which is where the 05 models will come into their own
No disrespect, but I don't think the new models will bolster the prices of 02/03 cars.
Trade are offering 100k for 02 Murcie's if retail prices are 6 or so months behind trade i'd put a bet on 02/03 cars being 100k or less by the end of the year
Time will tell........
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