RE: Lambo updates Murcielago

RE: Lambo updates Murcielago

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anniesdad

14,589 posts

239 months

Wednesday 1st March 2006
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rico said:
But what horrid paint for the showcar... looks like primer



Away with you heathen......it's magnificent!

simonspider

1,327 posts

250 months

Wednesday 1st March 2006
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anniesdad said:
LexSport said:
alexpez said:
I just wish theyd make a lightweight rear wheel drive version.
Like this?

Interestingly, EVO said that when they were testing the Zonda and checking out the 599 GTB they wanted to pop into the Lambo factory to take a look at the LP640 - but they were all in Germany - every single one.


I'm assuming they did get to see it, as the LP640 in all it's glory, is in this months edition....along with the 599GTB and Zonda F Roadsport CS.


Yea Harry Metcalf saw it at VAG factory just a few days before it went to print

anjum

1,605 posts

285 months

Wednesday 1st March 2006
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simonspider said:
I asked Valentino Balboni exactly this question a year ago..Trouble is its too expensive to redesign a whole new transmission for 2wd again. The current 4wd transmission on the Murcielago is actually inherited from the Diablo. This is why the wheels are still only 18'' when they would certainly be better with at least 19''. The Gallardo runs on 19'' because it was a new design back in 2002. But a lighter 2wd Murcie would be fab, but I don't think it will ever happen


Really? I'm suprised - as my 6.0L was a VT, without the VT! - no front drive shafts, no viscous coupling (transforms the gearchange!) etc.

When I spoke to my contact at Lamborghini, he effectively said that it was possible - but the issue was the potential legal implications because it would affect the traction control - but it was not difficult to do - as you rightly pointed out, the VT mechanism was carried over to the Murci.

Curiouser and curioser.....sic!

Anjum

rico

7,916 posts

256 months

Wednesday 1st March 2006
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About the colour... just read this on LAmbo-Power.com from roytoy2003:

roytoy2003 said:
This color is a SE, only 12 of them made. This was the one I was telling you about that is to honor the 12 Fighter planes that ITALY sent over for Desert Storm war.........They are also to have a emblem of a fighter plane and number on the front fender, the wheels are to be GOLD.......I do not know why they used this one, other than maybe no other car was as ready yet........The color is to symbolize the GREY Jet fighter color.....


Even though I hate the colour on that Murcie... its a damn cool tribute

>> Edited by rico on Wednesday 1st March 18:06

Thom

1,716 posts

248 months

Wednesday 1st March 2006
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anjum said:
simonspider said:
Trouble is its too expensive to redesign a whole new transmission for 2wd again.


When I spoke to my contact at Lamborghini, he effectively said that it was possible


"No we can't / Yes we can" ... Sounds like some ex-TVR PRs moved over to Lamborghini

nightmare

5,187 posts

285 months

Wednesday 1st March 2006
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simonspider said:
nightmare said:
sa_20v said:
Wow, as good as Barbra Streisand, if not better!

megaStreisand, megaStreisand. Damn where's Robert Smith when you need him?

will be seeing this at Geneva.....if it drives as differently from the standard Murci as it looks then my long search will be finally over


Just out of interest, what don't you like about the current Murcie?
Granted the '02-'04 MY had crap brakes (especially on the track) but the 05's brakes are fantastic. The LP640 won't handle any better though,than the current Murcie, and will be a little faster of course, but its no lighter, in fact a little heavier.
It would have been nice to see a 'Stradale' like Murcie - both lighter and faster. Having said all that it looks fantastic..

to be honest dude, i DO like the current Murci...is fantastic...but not fantastic enough fo me to spend that amount on. It's really hard to quantify, but for me there is level of excitement and involvement missing over my diablo.... The Murci is superior in pretty much every respect (though othing like as fast as mine ) but then a VX220T is also better than the elise in every way yet i still have the former.....it's just a little dull in comparison maybe - hard to describe if im honest. Think Anjum has similar thoughts tho

Sadly i think youre spot on right about the fact that the new one wont address many of the issues....but dealmakers suggestion is definitely thought provoking.....I think i want a 'Stradale version' too!!

Night

suryade

57 posts

221 months

Thursday 2nd March 2006
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If the new Murcie is 500 lbs lighter than the previous version, I think Lambo has done an awesome job. I just cant get over the drop dead mean look of the car....ever there was a car that just oozed testosterone it is this one!

dealmaker

2,215 posts

255 months

Thursday 2nd March 2006
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suryade said:
If the new Murcie is 500 lbs lighter than the previous version, I think Lambo has done an awesome job.


I'd take that with a very large pinch of (Italian) salt if I were you!

juniord

8,628 posts

224 months

Thursday 2nd March 2006
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According to msn.co.uk the Murcielago LP640 has a "V23 engine".
It says also that "The Viscous Traction (VT) all-wheel drive system runs normally with a 30-70 split favoring the rear wheels; however it is possible for 100 percent of the drive force to be directed to either axle".

So, do they mean that the drive can be selectively directed (switched?) to either axle or are they referring merely to it's active operating parameters? 640 horses to the front wheels sounds *interesting* either way.



3200gt

2,727 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd March 2006
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juniord said:
According to msn.co.uk the Murcielago LP640 has a "V23 engine".

Sounds like an engineering masterpiece.

Question, Whats the highest number of cylinders ever to gace a V configuration engine?
I recall form childhood passions a supermarine spitfire had a V16 merlin/griffin.
Anyone know of more?

juniord

8,628 posts

224 months

Thursday 2nd March 2006
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3200gt said:
juniord said:
According to msn.co.uk the Murcielago LP640 has a "V23 engine".

Sounds like an engineering masterpiece.

Question, Whats the highest number of cylinders ever to gace a V configuration engine?
I recall form childhood passions a supermarine spitfire had a V16 merlin/griffin.
Anyone know of more?


Cadillac, Cizeta, BRM, Auto Union, Iveco have all used V16 engines.

Focke Wolfe produced a V18 aero engine. There are definitely big heavy-duty diesel engines out there with V-20s and more.

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jas16

378 posts

233 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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WOW!!, this is how i recon the original should have looked

suryade

57 posts

221 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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That 500 lb number I threw out is mere speculation on my part...I have no idea how much weight reduction a CF body would bring about. Anyone know what the dry weight of the Lambo in kilos is?

simonspider

1,327 posts

250 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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Eh??
The dry weight of the Murcie is 1650 Kilos. The body is already carbon fibre. The new Murcie Evo is 15 kilos heavier than the current model.

Polarbert

17,923 posts

232 months

Friday 3rd March 2006
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simonspider said:
Eh??
The dry weight of the Murcie is 1650 Kilos. The body is already carbon fibre. The new Murcie Evo is 15 kilos heavier than the current model.


Hey Simon did you get the PM I sent to you on ferrarichat.com?