RE: Miura edges towards production
Discussion
SJobson said:
I thought they'd already denied it would be made. Anyway, it looked cack at the FoS - heavy and lumpen compared to the original.
I completely agree! It was fat and vulgar (god it sounds like me) compared to the lithe, feminine, sexy original. Massive chrome alloys!? Have they completely lost the plot? 4 wheel drive's bad enough.
It'll sell well in America, I suppose
TrickyDave said:
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It'll sell well in America, I suppose
It'll sell well in America, I suppose
Hey, hey, hey. There are a lot of Brits on this thread who are eager for the Miura to be made, too. I saw the concept in Detroit and in my opinion, well, the old girl has put on a few pounds. I like the idea that it would be lower and wider. That would help it thin out a bit. But I agree with whoever commented about the aerodynamics. With 700 hp--if true to the original shape--they should just call it the Disco Volante, because the thing would become an Italian flying saucer.
TrickyDave said:
It'll sell well in America, I suppose
And there was me thinking that to stay in business a car company had to sell cars. Maybe they aim to do just that by aiming the car where the money is?
You only have to look at the sales figures for Maserati to see who has the spending power.
So, admire it or dislike it, unless you have the money buy one, I think Lamboghini are unlikely to take much notice of our opinions.
Just for the record, I love the old one, it was a design Icon of the era. Now it is 2006 who's to say in a couple of years time the new one will not be considered in a similar vein?
BossCerbera said:
It's a fact that many traditional Lambo buyers (new Countach, new Diablo, multiple/serial owners) haven't bought into the Murcielago which, strictly speaking, is the descendant of the Miura anyway. When Lamborghini held a pre-launch 'clinic' on the Murci with long-standing customers, the unanimous reaction was "no thanks". To their amazement, the Murci was launched virtually unchanged.
The Gallardo has been a huge success in terms of numbers sold, and it's all conquest business. The Murcielago has generally had to win "new" customers too. The "real" - or traditional - Lambo punter is a rare individual.
A 'new Miura' that's a bit of an animal, with exclusivity assured by production numbers and price tag, may tempt these people away from the road to Pagani etc.. If you've got £200K to blow on a toy, you've got £300K or more. Special Diablos were bought at knocking on the door of £200K 20 years ago. The Audi-ising of Lambos is what opened the door to Pagani, Koenigsegg, Edonis et al. Trad Lambo customers are somewhat disappointed by the 'lack of possibilities' with the new models.
The "new Miura" needs to be mad and rare to succeed.
The Gallardo has been a huge success in terms of numbers sold, and it's all conquest business. The Murcielago has generally had to win "new" customers too. The "real" - or traditional - Lambo punter is a rare individual.
A 'new Miura' that's a bit of an animal, with exclusivity assured by production numbers and price tag, may tempt these people away from the road to Pagani etc.. If you've got £200K to blow on a toy, you've got £300K or more. Special Diablos were bought at knocking on the door of £200K 20 years ago. The Audi-ising of Lambos is what opened the door to Pagani, Koenigsegg, Edonis et al. Trad Lambo customers are somewhat disappointed by the 'lack of possibilities' with the new models.
The "new Miura" needs to be mad and rare to succeed.
Here, here!
I really hope it is made - I think it's gorgeous? Is is as nice as as a 73SV? I dunno - but I can say that if I look at myself in in 73 and now - I'd rather we were back in 1973!
I've held off my Murci and LP640 order - until an SV is released (please, please, please.......) Now a V12, 2 wheel drive beast, dressed in outrageous clothes - now THAT's a Lamborghini......
Anjum
dinkel said:
Lamborghini just isn't about simple and cheap.
Then, my friend, you missed the point . . . completely.
Look at the Countachs, Diablo's, Murci's . . . all outrageous machines . . . And this one has to be in that very bloodline.
Then, my friend, you missed the point . . . completely.
Look at the Countachs, Diablo's, Murci's . . . all outrageous machines . . . And this one has to be in that very bloodline.
I take your point, yes indeed Lamborghini were about building outrageous cars. But with this styling concept are we really talking about Lamborghini? Not so long ago VW stole Maserati heritage and badged a small dull car "Bora" dont forget. This "new Miura" is just another VW bit of corperate engineering. Its not a Lamborghini, it simply looks like a classic Lambo from a time when Lamborghini made exciting exotic supercars while the rest of the world thought a Mk 1 cortina was exciting. Look beyond the badge engineering folks.
This shouldn't happen, I was on the Masters transport design course ran in conjunction with Lambo and this project goes against everything Lambo is about. When i first saw it I thought it was a joke, since when has Lambo been desparate and lacking in inspiration and innovative passion, it's just wrong. Its embrassing and degrading of the original masterpiece, every Miura must be cringing out there as are the lovers of the car.
Edited by shineon on Thursday 13th July 16:33
fuoriserie said:
Why ???!!
Ask Marcello Gandini what he thinks of this car, and his answer is " WHERE IS THE IDEA"?, this car make no sense whatsoever today, it did in the 60's but today it's just a
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But let's talk of a real lamborghini, take the Gallardo Chassis and create a new LAMBORGHINI BRAVO concept car, or something futuristic not this stuff.......Get Bertone again and have them do a new body!!
Ask Marcello Gandini what he thinks of this car, and his answer is " WHERE IS THE IDEA"?, this car make no sense whatsoever today, it did in the 60's but today it's just a
, But let's talk of a real lamborghini, take the Gallardo Chassis and create a new LAMBORGHINI BRAVO concept car, or something futuristic not this stuff.......Get Bertone again and have them do a new body!!
Yes! Let's have the Bravo in production please!!! No bigger than it needed to be, and as simply styled as possible. That is the ultimate. But I guess I'm a 70s child not a 60s -- I love the original Miura but cannot abide the retro knock-off.
TrickyDave said:
SJobson said:
I thought they'd already denied it would be made. Anyway, it looked cack at the FoS - heavy and lumpen compared to the original.
I completely agree! It was fat and vulgar (god it sounds like me) compared to the lithe, feminine, sexy original. Massive chrome alloys!? Have they completely lost the plot? 4 wheel drive's bad enough.
It'll sell well in America, I suppose
Think it looks nice myself and its has to be bigger for impacts zones and the EU blah blah..
oagent said:
As pretty as it is, it doesnt have the aerodynamics to compete against cars like the Enzo and Zonda. Where will the downforce come from? The original Miura had a problem with front end lift, hence the little chin spoiler on the Jota and SV. If this thing has 700bhp and a 200+mph top end then they will have to lower that nose a little more i would have thought.
On top of that they expect to make a loss on each unit if they did produce it. Great styling excercise but thats all folks.
Why dont VW build the new miura on a more affordable 300bhp platform, ie a VW v6 or audi v8? Badge it as a lambo, sell it in the price bracket just above the TT to compete with TVR, M3 etc then surely everyone who once dreamed of real miura ownership would be knocking down the gates to the VW factory. Keep it simple and cheap to make, sell the dream of reliable lambo ownership to middle management man.
On top of that they expect to make a loss on each unit if they did produce it. Great styling excercise but thats all folks.
Why dont VW build the new miura on a more affordable 300bhp platform, ie a VW v6 or audi v8? Badge it as a lambo, sell it in the price bracket just above the TT to compete with TVR, M3 etc then surely everyone who once dreamed of real miura ownership would be knocking down the gates to the VW factory. Keep it simple and cheap to make, sell the dream of reliable lambo ownership to middle management man.
Not got the downward brand stretch, Ferrari a higher volume maker than Lambo doesn't go to the m3 level why would it be acceptable for lambo's to compete with hotted BM' 3 series.
3200gt said:
TrickyDave said:
It'll sell well in America, I suppose
And there was me thinking that to stay in business a car company had to sell cars. Maybe they aim to do just that by aiming the car where the money is?
You only have to look at the sales figures for Maserati to see who has the spending power.
So, admire it or dislike it, unless you have the money buy one, I think Lamboghini are unlikely to take much notice of our opinions.
The best way for them to go out of business is to make bloated senseless copies like that one. They need to sell avant-garde space gliders like the GTV, Countach and Miura were in their time.
And money is spent by people. People belong to a society, and inherently do as society tells them to. Rich people just as much as ordinary people. If Lamborghini leaves avant-garde behind and goes for 'gold-plated' their public image will wane and whoever buys them will become the joke of the town. So what we think does matter very much. IMHO of course.
Davey S2 said:
I thought it looked great at Goodwood. The bling wheels were absolutely repulsive though 
Still not as gorgeous as the lime green original that was there though. Most stunning car of the show IMO. Anyone get any good pics of it?
Still not as gorgeous as the lime green original that was there though. Most stunning car of the show IMO. Anyone get any good pics of it?
Loads of Miuras! I couldn't pick a favourite, but the silver one and the 'Concept' would be my least favourites.
errek72 said:
BossCerbera said:
Loads of Miuras! I couldn't pick a favourite, but the silver one and the 'Concept' would be my least favourites.
I'll take the black one. Is that an SV?
Cant see the pics in work but if they are the Goodwood cars yes the black one is an SV owned by the classic car broker Simon Kidston
oagent said:
ie a VW v6 or audi v8? Badge it as a lambo, sell it in the price bracket just above the TT to compete with TVR, M3 etc then surely everyone who once dreamed of real miura ownership would be knocking down the gates to the VW factory. Keep it simple and cheap to make, sell the dream of reliable lambo ownership to middle management man.
Talk about devaluing a classic marque! This would ruin all my childhood and adult aspirations! It should never happen, ever.
r988 said:
chasing the Veyron with 100bhp, oh wait I guess that wont happen since they are owned by Audi who are owned by VW who own Bugatti who make the Veyron
and who's buying more and more of VW.....?
As a one off, limited production retro classic I say why the hell not. So long as they don't bang out 1000s a year, just make it a collectors item.
Incidentally at the FOS the cabin looked fully trimmed, something I wasn't previously aware of. It did look like they had spent lots of time on it in there. Brakes (looked mildly used), proper beefy suspension arms etc Does anyone know if this concept model actually drives? I was surprised that despite the obvious large glass window areas at just how road ready the car looked. I even said to the missus, rumour had it they wouldn't build it but that looks a bit serious to me. No smoke without fire. What other concepts do they have?
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