RE: Miura edges towards production
Discussion
That burgundy SV is one of my favourite SV's.
Check 'cars' > 'Miura' > 'MiuraSV' > 'Registry' and find #4934
"Rosso Granada/White to then HIH the Shah of Iran. Stored under armed guard with SV #4870 in Royal Palace in Teheran.
Seized by Iranian government and later sold into Dubai in 1995.
Auctioned by Brooks at their Geneva Auction in March 1997 and sold to actor Nicolas Cage for $490,000. Still owned by Nicolas Cage."
Some history too . . .
Check 'cars' > 'Miura' > 'MiuraSV' > 'Registry' and find #4934
"Rosso Granada/White to then HIH the Shah of Iran. Stored under armed guard with SV #4870 in Royal Palace in Teheran.
Seized by Iranian government and later sold into Dubai in 1995.
Auctioned by Brooks at their Geneva Auction in March 1997 and sold to actor Nicolas Cage for $490,000. Still owned by Nicolas Cage."
Some history too . . .
wow, what a lot lovely miura's...yummie they are realy lovely, and on those picture's at that show you can see its almost looking the same...but I think the real thing is gona look a bit different a more update muira like porsche does whit the 911?
anyway, I like this 1967 miura a lot, they are so nice...and so expensive
GTRene
anyway, I like this 1967 miura a lot, they are so nice...and so expensive
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Friday 14th July 10:34
GTRene said:
wow, what a lot lovely miura's...yummie they are realy lovely, and on those picture's at that show you can see its almost looking the same...but I think the real thing is gona look a bit different a more update muira like porsche does whit the 911?
anyway, I like this 1967 miura a lot, they are so nice...and so expensive
GTRene
anyway, I like this 1967 miura a lot, they are so nice...and so expensive
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Friday 14th July 10:34
Ooh yeah. Black. Yum.
I always considered the Lambo pedigree as a Porsche-ish evolution of the Miura, albeit more daring than what they do in Weissach:
Miura design was revolutionary, Countach was captain tomorrow, the original Ghandini Diablo was hard as nails but got softened because Chrysler were running the company, and the Murcie is an evolution of that.
It's an interesting topic though, car evolution, makes you wonder what a Healy (TVR?) or Alpine would look like if it had been produced as long as the 911 is.
My information is that the SUV is going ahead (which is a horrible notion), but the Muira Concept was always just a bit of fun and won't go into production. Based on the Gallardo chassis and engine, it was a relatively (by industry standards) easy engineering exercise.
To create a proper (V12) engined Muira would be a lot of hassle and I doubt the marketing justification is there. As it's unlikely to break new engineering ground like the Veyron (where VAG learned an awfull lot about thermal management and transmission design... thank you, Ricardo Eng.) there's even less likelyhood of anything happening.
The Muira Concept does work though, so you may see it up for sale at some point. The Concept 'S' Gallardo is apparently for sale at about $600K if anyone's interested.
Debate about SV and reardrive versions of Gallardos and LP640s abound but that all suggests a motorsport direction for Sant' Agata. Given that Audi are already doing okay (understatement) in that department, the pressure is hardly on for Lamborghini to do 'extreme' versions. Which is a bit of a shame.
As many will appreciate, Marketing runs pretty much everything these days (much to the chagrin of design engineers) and, unless a particularly enthusiastic CEO signs something off himself (ala Veyron), nothing will get done if the numbers don't add up.
While VAG are still busy kicking the rotting corpses of the Phaeton Marketeers (totally under-rated car IMO) I wonder who's got the nerve to suggest anything crazy for a while?
To create a proper (V12) engined Muira would be a lot of hassle and I doubt the marketing justification is there. As it's unlikely to break new engineering ground like the Veyron (where VAG learned an awfull lot about thermal management and transmission design... thank you, Ricardo Eng.) there's even less likelyhood of anything happening.
The Muira Concept does work though, so you may see it up for sale at some point. The Concept 'S' Gallardo is apparently for sale at about $600K if anyone's interested.
Debate about SV and reardrive versions of Gallardos and LP640s abound but that all suggests a motorsport direction for Sant' Agata. Given that Audi are already doing okay (understatement) in that department, the pressure is hardly on for Lamborghini to do 'extreme' versions. Which is a bit of a shame.
As many will appreciate, Marketing runs pretty much everything these days (much to the chagrin of design engineers) and, unless a particularly enthusiastic CEO signs something off himself (ala Veyron), nothing will get done if the numbers don't add up.
While VAG are still busy kicking the rotting corpses of the Phaeton Marketeers (totally under-rated car IMO) I wonder who's got the nerve to suggest anything crazy for a while?
enough said...
Ford GT i feel is a worthy offfering to the original...but I think this one is not...real miss-mash of styles...?
Would rather they invest in "Challenge Car F equivalent" alternatives for Gallardo & Murci, track bias variants for the road...What happened to the rumoured Gallardo GTR?
Bada Bing! said:
I don't really agree with this move. Making it a limited run special edition would make sense for the retro-loving collectors. But to make it their flagship car? It's not even that pretty!
Sure, it worked for Ford because they have made precious little else since the GT40 that was fast or handsome, and have revived it as a result. But Lambo have been making beautiful cars for decades, so why go back to an old car for their inspiration - especially when they have come up with a couple of asolute crackers for their most recent models?
Sure, it worked for Ford because they have made precious little else since the GT40 that was fast or handsome, and have revived it as a result. But Lambo have been making beautiful cars for decades, so why go back to an old car for their inspiration - especially when they have come up with a couple of asolute crackers for their most recent models?
Edited by Bada Bing! on Thursday 13th July 10:20
Precisely - it's yet another example of VAG not giving a toss about the lore that underpins the companies they've gobbled up. Lamborghini is, and has always been about the cutting edge of everything. The Espada and Miura were the extent of Bertone's ability in the '60s, the Countach performed the same trick in the '70s, then the Diablo did it again in the '90s and the Murcielago and Gallardo are doing it now.
Sorry, but this 'new' Miura is as awful and cynical as the 'new' Beetle. The Beetle had absolutely nothing to do with style when it was new and was replaced by the Golf in the '70s because it was more preactical, safer, faster, better to drive and more of its time. The Beetle, new or old, does not represent 'style' and style alone doesn't represent the company - far from it.
VAG should stop harping on about 'brands'. It's somehow got the idea that as long as something looks like it and has the right badge, it should be built.
There is a whole lot more to Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti - and even VW - than a body style and a badge. You could take the whole VAG lineup and re'brand' them all as Audis and no-one would notice.
Twincam16 said:
Sorry, but this 'new' Miura is as awful and cynical as the 'new' Beetle. The Beetle had absolutely nothing to do with style when it was new and was replaced by the Golf in the '70s because it was more preactical, safer, faster, better to drive and more of its time. The Beetle, new or old, does not represent 'style' and style alone doesn't represent the company - far from it.
VAG should stop harping on about 'brands'. It's somehow got the idea that as long as something looks like it and has the right badge, it should be built.
There is a whole lot more to Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti - and even VW - than a body style and a badge. You could take the whole VAG lineup and re'brand' them all as Audis and no-one would notice.
Can't find fault with any of that. Good rant!
TC, I couldn't have said it better!
Lamborghini just isn't what it's used to be (should be).
There's no nice story behind the new models. No Latin passion, just numbers.
No very talented young bloke who designed them (Miura by Gandini), no name that came up by surprise (Countach). No big name behind the engine (V12 by Bizzarini).
No flamboyant involved man like Ferruccio, just a few grey, dull managers (germans for cryin' out loud!).
I know we're not living in the sixties anymore, and that times are changing.
But a rebodied Audi can never be a Miura.
That would be a giant insult.
I hope potential buyers will realise that.
But unfortanately, if they will build it, I most probably will be proven wrong...
Lamborghini just isn't what it's used to be (should be).
There's no nice story behind the new models. No Latin passion, just numbers.
No very talented young bloke who designed them (Miura by Gandini), no name that came up by surprise (Countach). No big name behind the engine (V12 by Bizzarini).
No flamboyant involved man like Ferruccio, just a few grey, dull managers (germans for cryin' out loud!).
I know we're not living in the sixties anymore, and that times are changing.
But a rebodied Audi can never be a Miura.
That would be a giant insult.
I hope potential buyers will realise that.
But unfortanately, if they will build it, I most probably will be proven wrong...
Think what you all like . . . the days of passionate supercars like the ones 'we' like are long gone. New breeds and new tech, new needs and new markets. We can all think what we like but a car like this new Miura is a stunning showcase and putting it on the road is an effort well encouraged.
The most exciting roadcar ever built.
The most exciting roadcar ever built.
Edited by dinkel on Friday 28th July 23:00
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