360 all year round driving?
Discussion
456mgt said:
Thanks for all your comments so far. I do on average around 5-6k miles per year in my M3 and wouldn't expect to do anymore in a Fezza..
5-6K miles a year is not a lot, and would be covered by an average classic policy. I do 3-4K miles a year with just occasional use.
mudfish said:
I understand the handling issues in obvious bad weather/road conditions, just wondered whether I could use it on occassion over the winter months? without causing problems either mechanically or to the bodywork. Comments so far suggest Fezza's are not hardwearing to the elements.
Like many here I use my cars year round. It would drive me nuts not to be able to drive them at least once every week or two. Aluminium does oxidise on exposed surfaces no doubt, but IIRC it isn't harmful unless it corrodes an earth wire. If that bothers you, get the exposed bits dinoled (or whatever the hell it's called).
>> Edited by 456mgt on Wednesday 10th December 17:15
Whats IIRC?
bertie said:
charlie360 said:I had a 360 for two years and used it pretty much everyday, come rain or shine clocked just over 25K miles and the car handled it no problem at all - however all in it cost me around £60K to do that but as Bertie says - Use the car that's what they're meant for!
Surely you didn't loose £60k on it in 2 years????
That'd mean you got circa £50k for a 2 year old 25k miles car.
I lost around £40k in depreciation and spent a further £18K+ on general running costs such as insurance, servicing, mechanical failures and replacements and tyres but excluding any petrol
My 355 all year round?.. no. Apart from the depreciation aspect of piling on the miles the service costs of running it all year round will be horrendous!
If you have _very_ deep pockets and don't mind loosing more money than you normally would through Ferarri ownership then go for it, otherwise I would advise against it.
If you have _very_ deep pockets and don't mind loosing more money than you normally would through Ferarri ownership then go for it, otherwise I would advise against it.
I can't think of anything more annoying than coming across (an admittedly rare), bright, fresh morning in January etc and having the Ferrari wrapped in a carcoon etc or in storage and not being able to drive it.
There are a couple of F50s in the states that have HUGE mileages on them (i.e 40,000km IIRC), previously owned by Jim Spiro driven in ALL weathers.
Did they break down on him? No.
Were the running costs out of all proportion to normal running costs? No.(and this argument is a load of rubbish on the modern Ferraris etc IMO).
Was the depreciation an issue? YES
Was his F50 described as "the worlds rattiest F50" by Forza magazine? YES.
Did he give a sh!t? NO.
He just USED his cars - and that's the point -they're just cars - doesn't matter if there's a prancing horse badge on them - no need to exalt them to higher plane.
Of course, depreciation IS an issue, not everyone can drop $4M on car. But if that's the case then you've GOT to question your purchase of the car.
That day on the deathbed or when Mr X is too sad and old to drive his F40 etc, is he going to be thinking "hmmm, yes, sensible decision to take my F40 out once a month during the summer - saved me $$$$$ in depreciation" ????
I don't think so.
Most people will either be regretting that decision or wishing they'd bought a car that they WOULD be comfortable using all year.
There is I suppose a smaller practical issue. Some cars are actually NOT much fun (read: plane dangerous) to drive year round in the cold and wet (like the F40) but this doesn't IMO apply to many production Ferrari/Lambos etc...
Oh and the classic "experience to be savoured - so do it less frequently" mentality does not work with me either....
You wouldn't save good sex for say once a month just to "enjoy it more" (hell - I know I don't) so why do it with cars.
When the 360 gets "less enjoyable" then it's time to change the car... (some people will apply this to their women as well - Basher, Ali, Rich etc...)
So should you use the 360 all year round - HELL yes. If you're worried about depreciation then get another car or you'll be kicking yourself later.
>> Edited by manu on Thursday 18th December 17:06
There are a couple of F50s in the states that have HUGE mileages on them (i.e 40,000km IIRC), previously owned by Jim Spiro driven in ALL weathers.
Did they break down on him? No.
Were the running costs out of all proportion to normal running costs? No.(and this argument is a load of rubbish on the modern Ferraris etc IMO).
Was the depreciation an issue? YES
Was his F50 described as "the worlds rattiest F50" by Forza magazine? YES.
Did he give a sh!t? NO.
He just USED his cars - and that's the point -they're just cars - doesn't matter if there's a prancing horse badge on them - no need to exalt them to higher plane.
Of course, depreciation IS an issue, not everyone can drop $4M on car. But if that's the case then you've GOT to question your purchase of the car.
That day on the deathbed or when Mr X is too sad and old to drive his F40 etc, is he going to be thinking "hmmm, yes, sensible decision to take my F40 out once a month during the summer - saved me $$$$$ in depreciation" ????
I don't think so.
Most people will either be regretting that decision or wishing they'd bought a car that they WOULD be comfortable using all year.
There is I suppose a smaller practical issue. Some cars are actually NOT much fun (read: plane dangerous) to drive year round in the cold and wet (like the F40) but this doesn't IMO apply to many production Ferrari/Lambos etc...
Oh and the classic "experience to be savoured - so do it less frequently" mentality does not work with me either....
You wouldn't save good sex for say once a month just to "enjoy it more" (hell - I know I don't) so why do it with cars.
When the 360 gets "less enjoyable" then it's time to change the car... (some people will apply this to their women as well - Basher, Ali, Rich etc...)
So should you use the 360 all year round - HELL yes. If you're worried about depreciation then get another car or you'll be kicking yourself later.
>> Edited by manu on Thursday 18th December 17:06
I'd never heard of Jim spiro until I watched a TV program a year or so ago about auctions where he bought a lemans winning 1960's testarossa. The guy drives it to work, absoloutely tremendous.
Having said that if the option was to have the car of my dreams and only run it at weekends or not have it all I would still buy it.
DAZ
Having said that if the option was to have the car of my dreams and only run it at weekends or not have it all I would still buy it.
DAZ
dazren said:
I'd never heard of Jim spiro until I watched a TV program a year or so ago about auctions where he bought a lemans winning 1960's testarossa. The guy drives it to work, absoloutely tremendous.
Having said that if the option was to have the car of my dreams and only run it at weekends or not have it all I would still buy it.
DAZ
Saw that program too, the atmos in that auction room must have been electric. The best bit was when the car was delivered by the transporter, and his mates give him a push start where he then proceeds to steam off down the street. Seemed a nice guy too when interviewed. Suppose its the ultimate example of not treating a car like a garage queen
well of course one can choose to use such a car all year round, its very expensive motoring however depends if your happy to drop such huge sums just for the sake of driving it to the shops.
The antithesis to the argument ' use it all the time, because when your old you wont want to.
Spend a huge ammount of money on running this kind of car all year round and if your financial circumstances change you might bitterly regret the needless waste!
The antithesis to the argument ' use it all the time, because when your old you wont want to.
Spend a huge ammount of money on running this kind of car all year round and if your financial circumstances change you might bitterly regret the needless waste!
You ain't gonna have any problems if you're only planning 5-6k miles a year.
I've clocked up 3k on mine in two months and probably should tone it down a bit.
But, the 360 is one hell of an easy car to live with to use regularly. I was wary as hell getting a Ferrari, but so far, it's had no problems at all. Nothing - nada.
I use mine whatever the weather generally.
You'll also be surprised how comfy the car is considering what it is - I went London>Edinburgh and back in one day a few weeks back.
It's an easy drive - it's not a problem driving it in the wet and ice - it's got pas, abs, traction control, ok no dsc or anything like that, but it really isn't that bad. The F1 box (if that is what you were considering) is very tame if you're gentle on the gas - smooth pulls, even in ice.
That all said, if I had to pick between the 360 and the 996, to drive every day to run up 20k miles, my head would definitely be saying the Porker. But the heart says Ferrari, and that normally wins. The wallet subsequently screams.
Just FDI.. I doubt you'll regret it
I've clocked up 3k on mine in two months and probably should tone it down a bit.
But, the 360 is one hell of an easy car to live with to use regularly. I was wary as hell getting a Ferrari, but so far, it's had no problems at all. Nothing - nada.
I use mine whatever the weather generally.
You'll also be surprised how comfy the car is considering what it is - I went London>Edinburgh and back in one day a few weeks back.
It's an easy drive - it's not a problem driving it in the wet and ice - it's got pas, abs, traction control, ok no dsc or anything like that, but it really isn't that bad. The F1 box (if that is what you were considering) is very tame if you're gentle on the gas - smooth pulls, even in ice.
That all said, if I had to pick between the 360 and the 996, to drive every day to run up 20k miles, my head would definitely be saying the Porker. But the heart says Ferrari, and that normally wins. The wallet subsequently screams.
Just FDI.. I doubt you'll regret it
355f said:
Spend a huge ammount of money on running this kind of car all year round and if your financial circumstances change you might bitterly regret the needless waste!
Your argument makes sense - no doubt about it - I suppose I'm just a different person.... some people prefer to have it even if it means worrying about it....
In my case I'd rather not have it if the depreciation (not running costs BTW) compromise the way I like to use cars.
Each to their own. (I still think my view is better
) Iguana - don't even go there boy.... not everyone is like you!!
>> Edited by manu on Friday 19th December 13:11
I won't be worrying about the costs in 70 years time, so I say sod it, use it whenever you fancy it.
On the issue of running costs, the servicing is 6000 miles or annual, so there's no big deal.
And if you're that bothered about depreciation, buy a 1973 Land Rover or something and think of the money you'll save!!!
On the issue of running costs, the servicing is 6000 miles or annual, so there's no big deal.
And if you're that bothered about depreciation, buy a 1973 Land Rover or something and think of the money you'll save!!!
bertie said:
I won't be worrying about the costs in 70 years time, so I say sod it, use it whenever you fancy it.
On the issue of running costs, the servicing is 6000 miles or annual, so there's no big deal.
And if you're that bothered about depreciation, buy a 1973 Land Rover or something and think of the money you'll save!!!
well no need to go to extremes to prove a point! facts are facts- you need deep pockets to do higher miles in a ferrari used as an everyday car. The costs for repairs and breakages and depreciation actually put it on par with a helicopter for running costs.
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