Veg Oil in a Diesel engine. Test Results.
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Insurance is a scam, between the insurance companies and the government.
I recall a few years back people were crying out about high premiums to the government...Their response ?? They taxed it further.
Insurance companies no longer carry risk. They price to avoid risk, and guarantee profits.
Third party cover shouldnt take into account the price of the policyholders car. Why should it ?? There are no circumstances that the insurance company will have to pay out on said car ??
So why should it make a difference if you drive a £300 Pug 106, or a Bentley for thrid party cover ??
True cars are more expensive to repair, but thats also because insurance companies go overboard. If a panel is damaged, they replace. Even for minor damage. That doesnt make sense in anyones book, apart from the repairer, who can charge extortionate amounts for doing the repair.
Then there is false claims....If they spent more investigating these, premums would drop. But it seems its easier for them just to pay out instead. AFter all, if they pay more claims, just put premiums up. We will cover any payouts, and then some. Profits remain unaffected.
I recall a few years back people were crying out about high premiums to the government...Their response ?? They taxed it further.
Insurance companies no longer carry risk. They price to avoid risk, and guarantee profits.
Third party cover shouldnt take into account the price of the policyholders car. Why should it ?? There are no circumstances that the insurance company will have to pay out on said car ??
So why should it make a difference if you drive a £300 Pug 106, or a Bentley for thrid party cover ??
True cars are more expensive to repair, but thats also because insurance companies go overboard. If a panel is damaged, they replace. Even for minor damage. That doesnt make sense in anyones book, apart from the repairer, who can charge extortionate amounts for doing the repair.
Then there is false claims....If they spent more investigating these, premums would drop. But it seems its easier for them just to pay out instead. AFter all, if they pay more claims, just put premiums up. We will cover any payouts, and then some. Profits remain unaffected.
........and then when you want to use the bastards, they shag you for not telling them you fitted chrome wheel nuts or Chinese inner tubes or fitted furry seat covers.
All I want my insurance company to do is provide me with a cheap bit of paper that I can produce when required. I fully understand they will probably not give me any money at all and want to pay an amount which takes that into consideration. I'm glad of Footman James (who insure my mini and ALSO gave me a quote of £3xx for the Pug) I don't know where they get the stats from but it needs some more thought. My mini, whilst being very well put together is a dangerous machine. The Pug is not. I am far more likely to stuff the mini.
I would seriously consider doing a scam on insurance as the piece of paper is all that I'm after and will do whatever is cheapest to stay legal. Motoring is expensive enough without paying for shareholders profits.
All I want my insurance company to do is provide me with a cheap bit of paper that I can produce when required. I fully understand they will probably not give me any money at all and want to pay an amount which takes that into consideration. I'm glad of Footman James (who insure my mini and ALSO gave me a quote of £3xx for the Pug) I don't know where they get the stats from but it needs some more thought. My mini, whilst being very well put together is a dangerous machine. The Pug is not. I am far more likely to stuff the mini.
I would seriously consider doing a scam on insurance as the piece of paper is all that I'm after and will do whatever is cheapest to stay legal. Motoring is expensive enough without paying for shareholders profits.
stevieturbo said:
Then there is false claims....If they spent more investigating these, premums would drop. But it seems its easier for them just to pay out instead. AFter all, if they pay more claims, just put premiums up. We will cover any payouts, and then some. Profits remain unaffected.
www.datamonitor.com/~432d58e930554fdc85f1b59e37ea4640~/industries/news/article/?pid=B56E7D37-4FB5-49CE-BB2B-63C0B7B47638&type=CommentWire
stevieturbo said:
Insurance companies no longer carry risk. They price to avoid risk, and guarantee profits.
True cars are more expensive to repair, but thats also because insurance companies go overboard. If a panel is damaged, they replace. Even for minor damage. That doesnt make sense in anyones book, apart from the repairer, who can charge extortionate amounts for doing the repair.
A little old, but you get the gist:
www.groupama.co.uk/latestnews/press/rel-2003/0303_pricing_release.asp
Not all fraudulent claims are from repeat fraudsters.
In the last year, I know of 2 accidents a friend was involved in. Both were very minor bumps in traffic. Damage to cars involved were limited to a cracked bumper for his car, and no damage to the other persons car.
That shows how much of an impact there was.
In one instance a woman pulled out onto a roundabout, then for some reason stopped dead. My mate while still partially at fault, pulled away from a stop, and hit her, not paying attention.
She had no reason whatseoever to stop on the middle of the roundabout. She got out, apologised, details were exchanged, and an amicable agreement was reached.
She then got home, to policeman hubby. Suddenly she became very ill, went to hospital and put in a claim against my mate, saying he came flying onto the roundabout, and hit her. Policeman hubby threatened my mate, that if he didnt admit liability, he would have him done for dangerous driving.
Despite telling the insurance company all this, and giving details of the phone call policeman hubby made to my mate, they didnt care.
She was not injured, her car was not damaged. Talk about corruption all round.
In the last year, I know of 2 accidents a friend was involved in. Both were very minor bumps in traffic. Damage to cars involved were limited to a cracked bumper for his car, and no damage to the other persons car.
That shows how much of an impact there was.
In one instance a woman pulled out onto a roundabout, then for some reason stopped dead. My mate while still partially at fault, pulled away from a stop, and hit her, not paying attention.
She had no reason whatseoever to stop on the middle of the roundabout. She got out, apologised, details were exchanged, and an amicable agreement was reached.
She then got home, to policeman hubby. Suddenly she became very ill, went to hospital and put in a claim against my mate, saying he came flying onto the roundabout, and hit her. Policeman hubby threatened my mate, that if he didnt admit liability, he would have him done for dangerous driving.
Despite telling the insurance company all this, and giving details of the phone call policeman hubby made to my mate, they didnt care.
She was not injured, her car was not damaged. Talk about corruption all round.
One of my colleagues was recently in a low speed collision with another car. They got out, swapped details etc. Both noticed a guy get out of a car parked on a sideroad, walks over and take the registration numbers of both cars. Turns out he made a claim against the drivers for damage caused to his car by flying debris. Insurers paid out!!! despite both parties stating that the collision was at about 15 mph and there were many pedestrians in between themselves and the bloke. The insurers decided not to fight it and paid out to the bloke.
Last year for my first car I had a mk3 diesel fiesta. I live 200 miles away from my friends and family who all live in west wales and im in Salisbury england. So after much consideration decided to fill up with red while in wales as the local garage was easy to just take along a couple of oil barrels to and fill up at half the cost of normal diesel the car didnt smoke any more than normal and allowed to me carry out about 18.5k miles last year 
As for insurance.... for my diesel i was quoted £1800 third party from most insurance companies even ones which said they would 'quote me happy' finally managed to get a quote for £880 fully comp (which was oddly cheaper than going third party) even though realistically i could never make a claim as a) the car isnt worth it and b) i dread to think how high my premiums would go
After having my diesel for a year i burst a hose and lost all the water and tried to carry on driving to the nearest service station, it died in a not so funny cloud of smoke.
I then bought a fiesta 1.1 3 years newer bottom of the range model called the insurance company and they wanted MORE money to insure it baring in mind this car is a group 4 insurance and the last was a 7 how do they justify this? the guy at the insurance company came back to me and said "sorry but as the cars is newer it will cost more" at which i replied that arent all fiesta worth the same? they couldnt do anything about it.
Now lets see technically the diesel should be cheaper by insurance groups alone
Secondly ALL panels and interior are exactly the same.
The diesel would be more expensive to have engine components replaced i would have thought.
The newer car should have superior handling and braking as it is newer and has wider tyres.
Insurance companies are just out there to steal your money
im just waiting til my 2nd years NCB is up so i can get a decent car and insure it at a 'sensible' cost.
As for people getting stopped and dipped I know of one person but he was driving a battered up pick-up and would fill up straight from the tank!
Idea my step dad had although it was for a bus was to fit a second fuel tank with a hidden filler cap ie in the boot reroute all lines and pump to that tank and keep a gallon of taxed fuel in the original tank which could all be sealed off as they would only dip this tank... obviously doing this to a bus would be easier...
As for insurance.... for my diesel i was quoted £1800 third party from most insurance companies even ones which said they would 'quote me happy' finally managed to get a quote for £880 fully comp (which was oddly cheaper than going third party) even though realistically i could never make a claim as a) the car isnt worth it and b) i dread to think how high my premiums would go
After having my diesel for a year i burst a hose and lost all the water and tried to carry on driving to the nearest service station, it died in a not so funny cloud of smoke.
I then bought a fiesta 1.1 3 years newer bottom of the range model called the insurance company and they wanted MORE money to insure it baring in mind this car is a group 4 insurance and the last was a 7 how do they justify this? the guy at the insurance company came back to me and said "sorry but as the cars is newer it will cost more" at which i replied that arent all fiesta worth the same? they couldnt do anything about it.
Now lets see technically the diesel should be cheaper by insurance groups alone
Secondly ALL panels and interior are exactly the same.
The diesel would be more expensive to have engine components replaced i would have thought.
The newer car should have superior handling and braking as it is newer and has wider tyres.
Insurance companies are just out there to steal your money
im just waiting til my 2nd years NCB is up so i can get a decent car and insure it at a 'sensible' cost. As for people getting stopped and dipped I know of one person but he was driving a battered up pick-up and would fill up straight from the tank!
Idea my step dad had although it was for a bus was to fit a second fuel tank with a hidden filler cap ie in the boot reroute all lines and pump to that tank and keep a gallon of taxed fuel in the original tank which could all be sealed off as they would only dip this tank... obviously doing this to a bus would be easier...
'A mate' is about to insure an old Suzuki LJ Jeep which is worth about nothing, has a 790cc engine and expects to miss a few heartbeats tomorrow come quote time.
Hence he has opted to run 2 speedos and a limited milage policy.
Put it this way, my Pug 106D costs more to insure than my mates 0-100 in 8 seconds Fisher Fury! There is something seriously wrong there!
They are pirates and my other mate is fully going to play them at their own game
Hence he has opted to run 2 speedos and a limited milage policy.
Put it this way, my Pug 106D costs more to insure than my mates 0-100 in 8 seconds Fisher Fury! There is something seriously wrong there!
They are pirates and my other mate is fully going to play them at their own game
love machine said:
'A mate' is about to insure an old Suzuki LJ Jeep which is worth about nothing, has a 790cc engine and expects to miss a few heartbeats tomorrow come quote time.
Hence he has opted to run 2 speedos and a limited milage policy.
Put it this way, my Pug 106D costs more to insure than my mates 0-100 in 8 seconds Fisher Fury! There is something seriously wrong there!
They are pirates and my other mate is fully going to play them at their own game
Does a Fisher Fury really do 0-100 in 8 seconds?
Dilan said:
What about running a LPG converted car on the orange propane tanks - suppose you'd need some sort of pump otherwise you'd only ever half fill the tank?
Years ago (early '80s) my old man had a Fiesta which had been converted to LPG in Italy, long before it was available here, he got a manual pump from Italy which he used, over here, to fill the car from cylinders (don't remember what type of gas he used) however it was such a PITA that he gave up and just bought petrol in the end (petrol was resonably priced then anyway).
I have a question, if this is possible and it's just a case of using the right mix then why the hell don't companies like Shell and BP(who claim to care about using eco-friendly fuels) produce it and sell it in their petrol stations for all diesel car users. That way they won't need to produce as much oil and they'll still make a profit from vegetable oil sales which can be produced cheaply and in a way which is harmless to the environment as well as the fact that the vehicle emissions will then become harmless too so it's win win. So why isn't it happening? And why aren't we hearing anything about it when it would seem to be the answer to all our problems both economically and environmentally?
.....You need to change filters twice as often and lines clog..not good for low temp use i.e winter...Theres a phone number somewhere ..you just tell `im how much you made...and pay the tax...then secretly make 10 times that and store it somewhere...
>> Edited by F.M on Monday 8th May 22:15
>> Edited by F.M on Monday 8th May 22:15
Sir/Madam,
On the 23rd September 2007, on BBC Prime between 19h00 and 20h00 London time, and again on 26th September 2007, on BBC Prime, between 19h34 to 20h34, South African time (GMT +2), BBC Prime broadcasted the program TOP GEAR XTRA. This program featured an item called "Make your own fuel". A bowl of used vegetable oils was mixed with a chemical, something resembled "white spirits, or white vinegar or turpentine" not sure at all what it was. This mixture was then "rested" to "cure" for what I think was to be 4-hours, after which it would be put into a diesel vehicles` fuel tank, in the clip on TV it was a blue Volvo, to be used as fuel to drive the vehicle.
Could you please forward me any contact details as I require either or all of the following:
On how I could purchase a copy of this particular episode program
The chemical used to mix with the used vegetable oils
The procedure to follow for the mixture
The contact details of the inventor/chemist, that was on the show.
Sir/madam, my contact details here below could be used to inform of any costs and or additional information required by yourselves.
Positively in anticipation of your earliest convenient response
Best Regards
Heston Botha
Tel: (+27) 043 722 2581
Fax: (+27) 0866113289
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On the 23rd September 2007, on BBC Prime between 19h00 and 20h00 London time, and again on 26th September 2007, on BBC Prime, between 19h34 to 20h34, South African time (GMT +2), BBC Prime broadcasted the program TOP GEAR XTRA. This program featured an item called "Make your own fuel". A bowl of used vegetable oils was mixed with a chemical, something resembled "white spirits, or white vinegar or turpentine" not sure at all what it was. This mixture was then "rested" to "cure" for what I think was to be 4-hours, after which it would be put into a diesel vehicles` fuel tank, in the clip on TV it was a blue Volvo, to be used as fuel to drive the vehicle.
Could you please forward me any contact details as I require either or all of the following:
On how I could purchase a copy of this particular episode program
The chemical used to mix with the used vegetable oils
The procedure to follow for the mixture
The contact details of the inventor/chemist, that was on the show.
Sir/madam, my contact details here below could be used to inform of any costs and or additional information required by yourselves.
Positively in anticipation of your earliest convenient response
Best Regards
Heston Botha
Tel: (+27) 043 722 2581
Fax: (+27) 0866113289
Cell: (+27) 0827755428
Skype: hesbel1
Email: hesbel@sainet.co.za
HarryW said:
Didn't Clarkson do something along these lines on top gear 
. I'm sure they used an old volvo and put filtered old chip shop oil into it, however I think they added some 'spirit' to it to raise the octane. They also used the RAC as independant inspectors and yes it was fine.
Only issue is that apparently you are supposed to inform the tax man so he can bill you the fuel duty
.
Harry
. I'm sure they used an old volvo and put filtered old chip shop oil into it, however I think they added some 'spirit' to it to raise the octane. They also used the RAC as independant inspectors and yes it was fine. Only issue is that apparently you are supposed to inform the tax man so he can bill you the fuel duty
. Harry
Sir/Madam,
On the 23rd September 2007, on BBC Prime between 19h00 and 20h00 London time, and again on 26th September 2007, on BBC Prime, between 19h34 to 20h34, South African time (GMT +2), BBC Prime broadcasted the program TOP GEAR XTRA. This program featured an item called "Make your own fuel". A bowl of used vegetable oils was mixed with a chemical, something resembled "white spirits, or white vinegar or turpentine" not sure at all what it was. This mixture was then "rested" to "cure" for what I think was to be 4-hours, after which it would be put into a diesel vehicles` fuel tank, in the clip on TV it was a blue Volvo, to be used as fuel to drive the vehicle.
Could you please forward me any contact details as I require either or all of the following:
On how I could purchase a copy of this particular episode program
The chemical used to mix with the used vegetable oils
The procedure to follow for the mixture
The contact details of the inventor/chemist, that was on the show.
Sir/madam, my contact details here below could be used to inform of any costs and or additional information required by yourselves.
Positively in anticipation of your earliest convenient response
Heston Botha
Tel: (+27) 043 722 2581
Fax: (+27) 0866113289
Cell: (+27) 0827755428
Skype: hesbel1
Email: hesbel@sainet.co.za
On the 23rd September 2007, on BBC Prime between 19h00 and 20h00 London time, and again on 26th September 2007, on BBC Prime, between 19h34 to 20h34, South African time (GMT +2), BBC Prime broadcasted the program TOP GEAR XTRA. This program featured an item called "Make your own fuel". A bowl of used vegetable oils was mixed with a chemical, something resembled "white spirits, or white vinegar or turpentine" not sure at all what it was. This mixture was then "rested" to "cure" for what I think was to be 4-hours, after which it would be put into a diesel vehicles` fuel tank, in the clip on TV it was a blue Volvo, to be used as fuel to drive the vehicle.
Could you please forward me any contact details as I require either or all of the following:
On how I could purchase a copy of this particular episode program
The chemical used to mix with the used vegetable oils
The procedure to follow for the mixture
The contact details of the inventor/chemist, that was on the show.
Sir/madam, my contact details here below could be used to inform of any costs and or additional information required by yourselves.
Positively in anticipation of your earliest convenient response
Heston Botha
Tel: (+27) 043 722 2581
Fax: (+27) 0866113289
Cell: (+27) 0827755428
Skype: hesbel1
Email: hesbel@sainet.co.za
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