fuel system cleaners do they work
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Hi all,
Anyone got any opinions on these cleaners you put in your fuel tank? I watched one of chrisfix's ubiquitous YouTube videos and he wasn't convinced even after trying one several times. He used a bkroscope to look into the cylinders and checked reduction in carbon deposits. It's very easy to buy and use the stuff but hard to measure if it's actually doing any good I'd say.
Anyone got any opinions on these cleaners you put in your fuel tank? I watched one of chrisfix's ubiquitous YouTube videos and he wasn't convinced even after trying one several times. He used a bkroscope to look into the cylinders and checked reduction in carbon deposits. It's very easy to buy and use the stuff but hard to measure if it's actually doing any good I'd say.
I have had some good results with it. depends on what it is of course. Forte comes highly recommended. I tend to use the eq Tunap product, which I think is a bit better.
I tend to fill fuel filters with it at service time - you need a clean source of fuel, so this is a good option.
Just my view.
I tend to fill fuel filters with it at service time - you need a clean source of fuel, so this is a good option.
Just my view.
bearman68 said:
I have had some good results with it. depends on what it is of course. Forte comes highly recommended. I tend to use the eq Tunap product, which I think is a bit better.
I tend to fill fuel filters with it at service time - you need a clean source of fuel, so this is a good option.
Just my view.
What results did you see? Smoother? better economy?I tend to fill fuel filters with it at service time - you need a clean source of fuel, so this is a good option.
Just my view.
I've had a look at the Forte website, there are quite a few products which of these would you say is a general engine cleaner? Some of them appear to be in liquid form (Gas treatment, petrol saver and specialist injector cleaner) and air intake cleaner, petrol IMV cleaner seem to be aerosols. I wouldn't even know where to point them to be honest.
Old Merc said:
I`ve been using Forte products professionally for 20 years,it really does what it says on the tin.I would not put it in my customers cars if did not.
Me too, got many a pass after an emmisions fail using thier products including injector cleaner and EGR cleaners, not sure i'd be that botherd about carbon build up on the piston crown, it's the injector spray pattern/flow that makes or breaks emmisions levels, get that right and the pistons stay clean as the fuel burn is more compleat, EGR crap in the inlet is more the problem i get and if it's bad enough to affect the running a strip and clean is really the only fix.PositronicRay said:
What results did you see? Smoother? better economy?
The really really famous one for me - Rover 2004 Streetwise TD -not running well, no powerand generally a bit crap.2 tins of Tunap into the tank (Check the Tunap website - this is it PREMIUM 134 DIESEL INJECTOR CLEANER) and lo and behold, almost a full restoration of power.
Those dramatic results are not normal, but they convinced me.
I have had decent results with Forte, but these guys are IMHO cheaper and better.
The injection removal stuff is very good.
Forte is good, used it for years, I believe Protec is better, also used it for years, TUV approved, and partly as they are low pressure sales where for instance Forte tie the members of the good garage guide (run by Forte) to use their products which is not what I like to see. Hard to buy either over the counter generally I think. I can supply Protec though. They also have developed equipment similar to the Terraclean machine which Ed China promotes. I've let them demo the stuff on my car a few times for training, always different, especially after a long run with the fuel cleaner (CRD)
Bobby Shaftoe said:
IME most are utter s
te. I had a bunch of injectors that were down to about 180cc/min that should have been 220cc and a load of carbon'd up valves that need cleaning. I had Redex, Forte and Redline SL1 sitting in the garage so stuck a couple of valves in a container with each cleaner and then promptly completely forgot about them for 4 months or so. When i finally stumbled across them again the Redex and Forte had done sweet fanny adams, the redline faired marginally better, the black carbon was soft and wiped off but it hadn't touched the hard white ceramic'esque deposits. Injector cleaning was much the same result.
The majority of them (petrol wise) are lots of light oil with very very small amounts of various solvents, most of which are already present in petrol anyway.
Just like a pressure washer Vs water dripped over a surface the pressure washer cleans better, injector cleaners work best when used as they should be IE under pessure and heat and with the injector opening and closing.te. I had a bunch of injectors that were down to about 180cc/min that should have been 220cc and a load of carbon'd up valves that need cleaning. I had Redex, Forte and Redline SL1 sitting in the garage so stuck a couple of valves in a container with each cleaner and then promptly completely forgot about them for 4 months or so. When i finally stumbled across them again the Redex and Forte had done sweet fanny adams, the redline faired marginally better, the black carbon was soft and wiped off but it hadn't touched the hard white ceramic'esque deposits. Injector cleaning was much the same result.The majority of them (petrol wise) are lots of light oil with very very small amounts of various solvents, most of which are already present in petrol anyway.
In the past I have used Protec injection system cleaner used through a machine similar to Terraclean and ussually at the same time an oil change using Protec engine flush. We used to do a before and after compression test to show customers and got quite startling result, compressions up by 30lbs and much more evened out between cylinders resulting in much smoother power delivery and better pulling power through all gears.
After filling my 1.9 diesel Fabia with unleaded and spending a week driving it lots of miles to burn it all off (does about 75mpg, took ages!) and randomly topping it up with more diesel, I noticed how well it ran after I managed to get a full tank of diesel in it once again.
I now put in 10 litres of petrol once a year for a trip down south a month or so before the mots and services are due, on both our Skoda diesels. Maybe kidding myself, but they seem to thrive on it, especially the 1.9TDi in the Octavia, great running car, fast and very economical and comfy too being the Elegance model.
Adding petrol to diesel plant motors to clean the pipes etc. is nothing new..
I now put in 10 litres of petrol once a year for a trip down south a month or so before the mots and services are due, on both our Skoda diesels. Maybe kidding myself, but they seem to thrive on it, especially the 1.9TDi in the Octavia, great running car, fast and very economical and comfy too being the Elegance model.
Adding petrol to diesel plant motors to clean the pipes etc. is nothing new..
Just did a quick bit of research on this myself. The following info is worth a read -
There are three common cleaning agents used in most top selling brands, polyisobutene or PIB, Polyisobutylene amine or PIBA and Polyetheramine or PEA. Most
of these are nitrogen based and act as a detergent. If a product lacks a nitrogen based additive, its cleaning ability is negligible.
PIB is typically found in Gas Treatments and some Fuel Injector/Carb Cleaners. It does a decent job of removing water and some dosage rates may keep new
deposits from forming on fuel system parts but it is not strong enough to remove existing deposits and it normally requires usage with each fuel fill-up.
PIBA is normally found in Fuel Injectors. At the right dosage rate, it will provide more cleaning power to remove existing deposits, clean more parts and
can have a longer interval between applications than PIB.
PEA is the cleaning agent found in any truly effective complete fuel system cleaner. It is the strongest cleaning agent available in fuel additives. It
cleans better and cleans more parts than PIB and PIBA. PEA is in a league of its own and in some cases it is the only detergent that can get the job done.
There are three common cleaning agents used in most top selling brands, polyisobutene or PIB, Polyisobutylene amine or PIBA and Polyetheramine or PEA. Most
of these are nitrogen based and act as a detergent. If a product lacks a nitrogen based additive, its cleaning ability is negligible.
PIB is typically found in Gas Treatments and some Fuel Injector/Carb Cleaners. It does a decent job of removing water and some dosage rates may keep new
deposits from forming on fuel system parts but it is not strong enough to remove existing deposits and it normally requires usage with each fuel fill-up.
PIBA is normally found in Fuel Injectors. At the right dosage rate, it will provide more cleaning power to remove existing deposits, clean more parts and
can have a longer interval between applications than PIB.
PEA is the cleaning agent found in any truly effective complete fuel system cleaner. It is the strongest cleaning agent available in fuel additives. It
cleans better and cleans more parts than PIB and PIBA. PEA is in a league of its own and in some cases it is the only detergent that can get the job done.
Wynns Xtreme Clean is probably the easiest to find.
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