ZRP Forged Conrods

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stevieturbo

17,268 posts

248 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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As above, the tangs dont really do anything other than assist alignment for initial build.

Crush does all the retention as some engines have tangless bearings.

CarsOrBikes

1,135 posts

185 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Ok, thanks, that's what the local builder said, I always thought they were an additional spin prevention, pictured higher in the thread are the other budget rods that show the opposite positions I was talking about which seems logical, and I expected the same here if the rods have them at all.

Ive

211 posts

170 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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I have ZRP rods in my K20 2.2l stroker build. They have single tangs. I paid attention to this due to my former Rover K experience.
Unfortunately I did not take a picture of them with the tangs visible.


In the Rover K world, rods for high reving derivatives such as the VHPD engines, were fitted with "single tag" rods to make them less prone to spin bearings. the common OEM rods had double tangs just like in the post above.
I have not heard of a spun bearing in a Rover K in a Elise since 2004. It is likely more of a precaution. They rarely suffer oil starvation in a Elise install, hence low occurrence of spun bearing issues. Overloaded shells typically show a kind of delimitation pattern demo pictures I have seen. Better trilayer indium coated bearings such as the Mahle Motorsport or Vandervell VP2 don't have these issues.

It is always important to fit the shells dry with no lubricant on the back or in the rod journal. Also never polish the inside. The surface roughness and dry install increase the friction of the shell towards the rods clamping it in place. The rod journal texture pretty much imprints in the back of the shell.

if you run out of lube even for an instant under load and high revs, the bearing is doomed. Once it sizes to the crank journal, it will burn up or first burn up and then spin, tangs or not.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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If a bearing seizes badly enough to overcome the considerable clamping force of the bearing cap, then tangs are most unlikely to stop it spinning.

CarsOrBikes

1,135 posts

185 months

Saturday 2nd December 2017
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yeah I see that, and the dry fit etc, but it does make sense if the tangs were to help prevent rotation if only to preserve the rod itself in the event.

anyway, they'll go in, I have King race shells, couldn't get Mahle motorsport, or a date at least yet, but will order them

I've read that the rods go with tang slots to exhaust side, but unsure about that right now, there's no marking other than the etched side of the rod, or the tang slots opposite. No drilling other than the top which is central.




stevieturbo

17,268 posts

248 months

Saturday 2nd December 2017
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CarsOrBikes said:
yeah I see that, and the dry fit etc, but it does make sense if the tangs were to help prevent rotation if only to preserve the rod itself in the event.

anyway, they'll go in, I have King race shells, couldn't get Mahle motorsport, or a date at least yet, but will order them

I've read that the rods go with tang slots to exhaust side, but unsure about that right now, there's no marking other than the etched side of the rod, or the tang slots opposite. No drilling other than the top which is central.
As already mentioned, tangs rarely save the rods...if they're gona spin, the tangs sure wont stop it.

99hjhm

426 posts

187 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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Anybody got an opinion on which side the tag should be with the rod installed in general? Assuming there are no drillings or offsets etc?

Had an engine with wear(copper showing) around the tab area of the bearing and perfect wear overall, was down to having too much bearing crush when measuring, rods were returned to manufacturer for checking anyway and they suggested double tagging the rods to prevent this wear pattern. The rod sizing was spot on so went from King to ACL shell and solved the excessive crush problem.

Boosted LS1

21,188 posts

261 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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^ It was a bearing clearance issue. It's not an issue about where the tang is located.

The bearing was the wrong brand for the job and you've proved that.

e30m3Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

174 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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Are King bearings any good?

stevieturbo

17,268 posts

248 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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As others have said in different threads, and many thousands of users all over the world....Yes if correctly chosen for the application.

It's up to the builder to ensure any fits and tolerances are correct.

Boosted LS1

21,188 posts

261 months

Sunday 3rd December 2017
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e30m3Mark said:
Are King bearings any good?
Yes.

e30m3Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

174 months

Monday 4th December 2017
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Thanks.

I'd intended using their big end bearings in my s14, as they were readily available in the spec' I require.

e30m3Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

174 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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Do these look like genuine King bearings? I just assumed the brand might be on the packaging?

(Forgive me if I'm being overly suspicious)




227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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It'll be stamped on the back of the bearing.

Boosted LS1

21,188 posts

261 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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How come they're not boxed? Who supplied them?

e30m3Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

174 months

Wednesday 6th December 2017
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stevieturbo

17,268 posts

248 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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The stampings on the rear look legit.

e30m3Mark

Original Poster:

16,205 posts

174 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Thanks.

It was just the packaging (or lack of it) which threw me for a minute.

Boosted LS1

21,188 posts

261 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Seller's a dealer in Lithuania, has good feedback. Still odd they aren't boxed though.

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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Looks like NOS.