1.2 puretech turbo misfire under load

1.2 puretech turbo misfire under load

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Twig62

748 posts

97 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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sjhaycroft said:
Twig62, did you ask about the issue at your second service?

Regarding reducing the spark plug gap that mignon mentioned. I was on a parts website looking at spark plugs and it said 2 bosch plugs were compatible with this car, the only difference was that the spark position was 5mm on one and 4mm on the other. What would using one of these over the other do to the engine?
Sorry, only just seen this. The car has not been in for its 2nd service yet however since my last post I have run it solely on Shell V Power and it may be just a coincidence but the miss fire/ hesitation hasn't occured since.

Twig62

748 posts

97 months

Friday 30th March 2018
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Bennachie said:
As it is an auto and it only does it when your foot is to the floor..................its not kickdown activating, or trying to activate is it? Have you tried pushing the pedal down until it reaches the kickdown switch and no further?

These are brilliant little engines.
I think a lot of the times it happens does coincide with the kick down kicking in however as I have said in the other post I have just written since I have fuelled it on Shell V Power the problem hasn't occured.

sjhaycroft

Original Poster:

18 posts

75 months

Saturday 31st March 2018
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When I started running mine on v power it didn't do it for a tank or 2 and then the problem came back. I'm now giving esso synergy 97 a whirl.

sjhaycroft

Original Poster:

18 posts

75 months

Wednesday 1st August 2018
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Hi. Sorry to resurrect and old thread.
I've just had my gearbox replaced under warranty. Apparently some form of factory defect (so they said). I told them about this misfire and they are adamant that the problem was coming from the gearbox.
Can a gearbox issue actually give off the same sensation as a misfire? (That shake/judder).

stevieturbo

17,275 posts

248 months

Wednesday 1st August 2018
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sjhaycroft said:
Hi. Sorry to resurrect and old thread.
I've just had my gearbox replaced under warranty. Apparently some form of factory defect (so they said). I told them about this misfire and they are adamant that the problem was coming from the gearbox.
Can a gearbox issue actually give off the same sensation as a misfire? (That shake/judder).
A gearbox cannot cause a misfire.

Peoples perceptions of what faults may be.....well that ones way up in the air so there is no answer to that last question as they could perceive any problem as anything they dream up whether correct, sensible or not.

But for anyone with half a wit, no a gearbox cannot give the same sensation as a misfire.

arronc21

1 posts

193 months

Monday 6th August 2018
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I had this exact same problem in my Peugeot 308 1.2 pure tech. However since going in for a service and a recall notice the problem is fixed. They didn't say what the recall was for but it has fixed it so may be worth speaking to the dealers

d_darko01

4 posts

64 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Hi everyone. We bought a Peugeot 208 1.2 puretech (turbo) 110hp EAT6 Gt Line, year 2016. Yesterday i realised a misfire/hesitation. I was driving with 100-110km/h speed with cruise control on highway, gear was at 6th speed. I changed my speed to 145km/h on cruise control. The car changed the gear to 5th speed and started accerelating. While accerelating car hesitated for one or two seconds and it continued accerelating. I tried it by pushing throttle softly, it made it again. I pushed the throttle full down, shift changed to 3th speed speed increased up to 175-180km/h and there was no hesitation or misfire. I was using Shell V power. I don't know the exact reason. Maybe it's about the fuel or maybe depends on which speed i'm driving; it's making when accerelating at 5th speed. I also have a Citroen Ds3 1.6 Thp, it's making same hesitation when accerelating with cruise control on 5th or 6th speed. I guess they are same engines; 1.2 thp and 1.6 thp, only difference is piston numbers.

GreenV8S

30,223 posts

285 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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A flat spot on one engine could be a worn throttle pot, especially if it happens around your normal cruising conditions. Hard to imagine that would affect two different cars at the same time, though.

d_darko01

4 posts

64 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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PS: Few weeks ago, ex owner of my car has changed the spark plugs from warranty, with no cost. I think spark plugs are service issue/modification.

joejoejoe

1 posts

63 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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Hey, just for info for anyone seeing this kind of thing,

ours (C4, 1.2 puretech 130, 2.5 years old) did this, but it did set the engine management light off.

Took it in to Citroen under warranty (which they did everything to wiggle out of, but finally accepted!), at which point they ran diagnostics to check the fault codes, and found code P1032 whatever that means.

Anyway, they freaked out because there is a Citroen technical service bulletin about this and various other fault codes, it is number VF73AHNYMGJ641042 - has a set of things they check which starts off with replace the oil and filter, then goes down to clean the engine and replace various turbo & engine parts and finally on the list ends at 'replace engine'.

Ours has gone through new oil and filter (light came on again), and is currently in the garage going through the rest of the process. Says the problem is 'self-ignition before spark (rumble)' on the service bulletin.


stevieturbo

17,275 posts

248 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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Must be a major screw up somewhere if they're replacing engines. Damn French cars.

drdino

1,152 posts

143 months

Monday 4th February 2019
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joejoejoe said:
Anyway, they freaked out because there is a Citroen technical service bulletin about this and various other fault codes, it is number VF73*********** - has a set of things they check which starts off with replace the oil and filter, then goes down to clean the engine and replace various turbo & engine parts and finally on the list ends at 'replace engine'.
That's your VIN btw, not the service bulletin #. You might want to remove it.

d_darko01

4 posts

64 months

Monday 13th May 2019
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Hi again... Is there any update about this misfire/hesitation issue? Did anyone find the exact reason for this?

I took my car to Peugeot service; they made some firmware/software updates, they checked everything, but the engine still goes on misfiring while accelerating. They told me to come back if happens again, they will check carbon build up on the intake valves. (I think it's too early for a 33.000km car, but can't be sure)

E-bmw

9,247 posts

153 months

Monday 13th May 2019
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Intake valve carbon deposits is a distinct possibility if that engine is direct injection as the intake valves don't get fuel washed, some engines are worse than others, a walnut blast de-coke is normally the answer if it is.

NickosOs

1 posts

60 months

Tuesday 21st May 2019
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joejoejoe said:
Hey, just for info for anyone seeing this kind of thing,

ours (C4, 1.2 puretech 130, 2.5 years old) did this, but it did set the engine management light off.

Took it in to Citroen under warranty (which they did everything to wiggle out of, but finally accepted!), at which point they ran diagnostics to check the fault codes, and found code P1032 whatever that means.

Anyway, they freaked out because there is a Citroen technical service bulletin about this and various other fault codes, it is number VF73AHNYMGJ641042 - has a set of things they check which starts off with replace the oil and filter, then goes down to clean the engine and replace various turbo & engine parts and finally on the list ends at 'replace engine'.

Ours has gone through new oil and filter (light came on again), and is currently in the garage going through the rest of the process. Says the problem is 'self-ignition before spark (rumble)' on the service bulletin.
Hi JoeJoeJoe, how did this one end up for you? I sent mine into garage with P1032/1033 codes and funnily enough so far they only want to change oil and filter.

OnTheEdge

94 posts

63 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2019
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d_darko01 said:
Hi again... Is there any update about this misfire/hesitation issue? Did anyone find the exact reason for this?

I took my car to Peugeot service; they made some firmware/software updates, they checked everything, but the engine still goes on misfiring while accelerating. They told me to come back if happens again, they will check carbon build up on the intake valves. (I think it's too early for a 33.000km car, but can't be sure)
The 1.2 Puretech engine suffers from LSPI (Low Speed Pre-Ignition), a problem that has reared it's head since the introduction of small, turbochared direct injection engines. Citroen/Peugeot know this but have kept the problem very quiet. The procedure that joejoejoe mentioned starts with an oil change since LSPI is known to be exacerbated by certain oil additives and it's the cheapest and quickest fix.

journeymanpro

761 posts

78 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Older thread I know but a query Re the other half's 308 130 puretech.

I want to fit new plugs. Euros have sent me zr6spp3320 yet the current OEM part number relates to cooler zr5 plug.

Given the pre ignition issues these can sometimes have am I better getting the zr5 plugs instead?

LimSlip

800 posts

55 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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What is the OEM part number? The ZR6 plug seems to be the recommend part by several different online parts stores, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be an official online Bosch catalogue any more which is pretty poor.

The spark plugs aren't the cause of LSPI in any case, but obviously the correct grade should be fitted.

journeymanpro

761 posts

78 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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LimSlip said:
What is the OEM part number? The ZR6 plug seems to be the recommend part by several different online parts stores, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be an official online Bosch catalogue any more which is pretty poor.

The spark plugs aren't the cause of LSPI in any case, but obviously the correct grade should be fitted.
Thanks for the reply

98 299 301 80 is the current Peugeot part number. According to auto doc app this relates to bosch 0 242 145 535 which is the zr5 plug.

Everywhere else lists only the ZR6 but knowing how the plugs can be fragile on these I want to make sure the right ones are fitted.

We use momentum 99 to try and prevent pre det.

LimSlip

800 posts

55 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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journeymanpro said:
Thanks for the reply

98 299 301 80 is the current Peugeot part number. According to auto doc app this relates to bosch 0 242 145 535 which is the zr5 plug.

Everywhere else lists only the ZR6 but knowing how the plugs can be fragile on these I want to make sure the right ones are fitted.
Seems like the majority of places are showing ZR5 as the equivalent, but also a few references to ZR6 and I also found other people confused by this on different forums so nothing conclusive unfortunately. I wonder if Bosch changed their recommended part at some point. Like you I would be tempted to go for the colder plug in this case.

journeymanpro said:
We use momentum 99 to try and prevent pre det.
The problem is pre-ignition rather than detonation (no such thing as 'pre det'). Higher octane fuels appear to reduce the incidence of LSPI, though probably due to secondary effects such as flame speed and the amount of volatiles in the blend. The one thing that is definite is that the engine oil plays a significant roll, low calcium oils must be used in these engines.