Mazda 6 losing oil

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derrykevin

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4 posts

23 months

Friday 13th May 2022
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Hi, I have a 2008 Mazda 6 Petrol with 90,000 miles on the clock that needs topped up with engine oil roughly every 2 months as the oil is at its lowest. I cannot get to the bottom of where the oil is going. There is definitely no leak and I don’t see any blue smoke coming from the exhaust. There is also no power loss in the engine. It is losing a huge amount of oil and I don’t understand how. Anyone got any ideas or things to troubleshoot on this?

Thanks,
Kev.

GreenV8S

30,198 posts

284 months

Friday 13th May 2022
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derrykevin said:
topped up with engine oil roughly every 2 months
How many miles is it doing and how much oil is it consuming?

E-bmw

9,220 posts

152 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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GreenV8S said:
derrykevin said:
topped up with engine oil roughly every 2 months
How many miles is it doing and how much oil is it consuming?
It is likely (As I am sure V8S is going to elude) that if you are topping up every 1000 miles or so by 1 litre, that is nothing like enough to see the ol' blue haze in the exhaust.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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Doesnt the Mazda 6 have a bit of a reputation for wearing piston rings ?

Probably worth getting a leak down and compression check carried out and go from there

derrykevin

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4 posts

23 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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I topped it up about 6 weeks ago with 4 litres and the oil light is already starting to flicker on. It’s a crazy amount of oil and what is frustrating is that I cannot see any evidence of loss. Because I am not feeling any loss in power would that not make a compression test a waste of time?

E-bmw

9,220 posts

152 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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derrykevin said:
I topped it up about 6 weeks ago with 4 litres and the oil light is already starting to flicker on. It’s a crazy amount of oil and what is frustrating is that I cannot see any evidence of loss. Because I am not feeling any loss in power would that not make a compression test a waste of time?
Mileage between top ups is more relevant than number of weeks.

4 litres is a lot unless that is a lot of miles in that time.

The seat of the pants dyno isn't as accurate as you may think with slow changes, a compression test would certainly be worthwhile, as would topping up MUCH more frequently.

If you wait until the oil light comes on it could well be too late in a very short space of time.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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derrykevin said:
I topped it up about 6 weeks ago with 4 litres and the oil light is already starting to flicker on. It’s a crazy amount of oil and what is frustrating is that I cannot see any evidence of loss. Because I am not feeling any loss in power would that not make a compression test a waste of time?
If you arent seeing huge puddles on the floor then its coming out of the exhaust

If the oil light is flickering chances are you are done anyhow by the time they come on engine damage has usually already occurred

steveo3002

10,525 posts

174 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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thats the oil pressure light ...you cant be running around with several litres of oil missing

id guess it was an oil burner that would have plodded on if topped up often , now its also got low oil pressure due to running around with no oil in it

GreenV8S

30,198 posts

284 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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derrykevin said:
I topped it up about 6 weeks ago
How many weeks or months ago you topped it up is not important.

What matters is the number of miles it's driven or the number of hours it's been running, and what volume of oil it consumed during that running. Since you haven't told us, nobody has any idea how fast it's using oil.

If your engine light is flicking on you've left it way too late to check and top up the oil and have probably already damaged the engine.

Edited by GreenV8S on Saturday 14th May 16:59

derrykevin

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4 posts

23 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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I do very little mileage. Probably about 6 or 700 miles between top ups. If it’s getting burnt I do not see any blue smoke. 4 litres is a lot after every 700 miles or so. There is definitely not a leak or I would see it.

steveo3002

10,525 posts

174 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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if theres no puddles under it then it must be burning it , i think the cat can disguise smoke somewhat?

either way sounds like its finished

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

243 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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It's not losing oil, it's using oil. It's an MZR/Duratec engine and they are prone to it, the oil control rings are gummed up and seized.

http://www.duratecnc.co.uk/?p=146

Forget dicking around with anything else. It's either keep pouring oil into it or an engine build with new rings and a hone.


Edited by Evoluzione on Tuesday 17th May 00:02

Smint

1,713 posts

35 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Thats an excellent article, very clear simple explanations.

Once again, extended (neglectful) oil servicing rears its ugly head, long service intervals are not there for making the vehicle last forever, they are there to help attract the new car buyer with infrequent cheap servicing (pcp, lease, company, business etc) who will only use the car typically whilst under warranty and then replace it so what happens after that is of no interest to them, nor sadly in most cases to the car maker, only one or two of which seem to care a jot about their reputation or customers.

It's been my experience over the years that once the oil level drops to dangerous levels that the wear damage caused is irreversible, and it will always be a heavy oil burner from then on, remember it will have been at dangerous levels for weeks or months before knocking or other symptoms make themselves known, increased wear causing excess carbon in the already small amout of oil left which can't absorb it, nor can the filter, then you see crankcases caked in thick carbon residue.
Often enough neglectful owners are repeat offenders, sometimes relying on the oil pressure light to remind them it needs topping up, each time the oil gets low wear increases further still, the chances are these owners lack mechanical sympathy so likely to drive cold engines hard, again exacerbating things.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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If it takes two months to go from low to high on the dipstick I would just buy more oil (you could try a thicker viscosity) and just keep and eye on the level more . For the miles you do this method would be far cheaper than fixing the issue

JONATHAN_11_80

34 posts

93 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Hi,

The duratec/mzr are known for using oil especially when they are neglected and oil changes are infrequent. If they are looked after then oil burning shouldnt be an issue. These need oil changes every 6k and revving out every now and then. If its burning oil now and passing its mot test I would check the oil weekly and keep the oil level at maximum. You could try 10W 40 and an additive as you have nothing to loose.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

243 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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JONATHAN_11_80 said:
Hi,

The duratec/mzr are known for using oil especially when they are neglected and oil changes are infrequent. If they are looked after then oil burning shouldnt be an issue. These need oil changes every 6k and revving out every now and then. If its burning oil now and passing its mot test I would check the oil weekly and keep the oil level at maximum. You could try 10W 40 and an additive as you have nothing to loose.
You'll lose the cost of the oil, the additive and the time spent putting it in.

derrykevin

Original Poster:

4 posts

23 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Hi all, thanks for all your answers, a lot of good information in there. I do have to say that I did take good care of the car and got it serviced at the proper intervals with my mazda dealer. I did lose a bit of heart in it since it started using a lot of oil and after taking it to the Mazda dealer they did not seem too interested in trying to solve the issue. At this stage the car was about 10 years old and I got the impression that they would rather me have bought a newer car from them.

I do also have to say that since then, roughly 4 years now, I have been topping it up with oil with a lot of occasions the oil light coming on beforehand so going by the comments on here I am really surprised that the car is still running with no noticeable problems. One thing I did find when searching the internet was the possibility of it being the PCV valve being clogged up. Would that be worth checking out?

Duratecbuh

32 posts

36 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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derrykevin said:
Hi all, thanks for all your answers, a lot of good information in there. I do have to say that I did take good care of the car and got it serviced at the proper intervals with my mazda dealer. I did lose a bit of heart in it since it started using a lot of oil and after taking it to the Mazda dealer they did not seem too interested in trying to solve the issue. At this stage the car was about 10 years old and I got the impression that they would rather me have bought a newer car from them.

I do also have to say that since then, roughly 4 years now, I have been topping it up with oil with a lot of occasions the oil light coming on beforehand so going by the comments on here I am really surprised that the car is still running with no noticeable problems. One thing I did find when searching the internet was the possibility of it being the PCV valve being clogged up. Would that be worth checking out?
It's not so much as they clog up... More that the hose coming from the valve splits. Its behind the inlet manifold, so quite a time consuming job to get at.

https://youtu.be/-TR4pZdXZpg