207 extra oil change

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supermono

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7,368 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th February 2007
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I want the little 1.6 diesel to last forever so I'm getting its oil changed at 6k and 12k even though the schedule is only 12k. I'm using Mobil 1 diesel oil.

Am I wasting my time/money? Will the regular gunk at 12k see the engine fail any earlier?

SM

ridds

8,226 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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Aye, you will be doing it a great favour, soot in oil is terrible and kills an engine pretty quick.

The more changes on a diesel the better in my eyes.

Longer service intervals are only there to satisfy demand from the market. Your engine will last longer with the more regular oil changes.

combemarshal

2,030 posts

227 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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I do mine even more often than that, my local tyre place does a semi synthetic and filter change for £15, every couple of months it gets new blood!

And my old TD Xantia was the same, and that has now done 180k!

Mikey G

4,734 posts

241 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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ridds said:
Longer service intervals are only there to satisfy demand from the market. Your engine will last longer with the more regular oil changes.


So manufacturers dont spend a lot of money on developing engines to run longer service intervals? Modern common rail diesels are not as sooty as they used to be along with modern manufacturing techniques and tolerances service intervals can be much greater because the fluids last that bit longer. I agree more regular changes on any engine can be a good thing but dont think along the lines that manufacturers pull out these mileage intervals from thin air.

Some Renault diesels i hear go as far as 18k before a service is required.

supermono

Original Poster:

7,368 posts

249 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Mikey G said:
So manufacturers dont spend a lot of money on developing engines to run longer service intervals?


Well perhaps they do, but since the king of fleet car preferences is running costs, could it be that they set the longest service interval that'll more-or-less guarantee it won't wear out in the first three years?

They get the big service intervals and cheap running costs before it goes out to the great unwashed before it blows up in year 4 or 5.

Obviously they don't really want their cars to last decades either or it'll hurt their sales...

Just a thought.

SM

combemarshal

2,030 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Mikey G said:
ridds said:
Longer service intervals are only there to satisfy demand from the market. Your engine will last longer with the more regular oil changes.


So manufacturers dont spend a lot of money on developing engines to run longer service intervals? Modern common rail diesels are not as sooty as they used to be along with modern manufacturing techniques and tolerances service intervals can be much greater because the fluids last that bit longer. I agree more regular changes on any engine can be a good thing but dont think along the lines that manufacturers pull out these mileage intervals from thin air.

Some Renault diesels i hear go as far as 18k before a service is required.


Just you go and look at the colour of the oil just before 18k
Like Cam belt ' That will last 100k sir ' until you buy it and it's 50k!!
It is just a huge selling point, and just for the price of an oil change at around £20 all done!
£20 every 2 months or new engine, Made my mind up!

Mikey G

4,734 posts

241 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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So your saying that manufacturers are wrong? So you all know how your engine should be treated and they dont? Dont get me wrong some manufacturers have made mistakes with regards to service intervals Fiat for example, a lot of belts have gone before 50k when the service schedule recommend upwards of 70k on some engines.
I agree that regular changes can only be a good thing, but on the modern engine its not a neccesity between normal service intervals unless the vehicle is subject to conditions outside what is considered normal.

Just because oil gets black doesnt mean it is useless, if that was the case i should have changed the oil in my jeep every 1k miles instead of the 5k i used to do. But that was a 12 year old vehicle with only 40k on the clock.

And with the argument that manufacturers dont want there cars to last after so many years is rubbish, it wouldnt do there reputation any good would it if all there cars 'blew up' after 4 years! And Peugeot have a good reputation when it comes to diesel engines.

combemarshal

2,030 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th February 2007
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Mikey G said:
So your saying that manufacturers are wrong? So you all know how your engine should be treated and they dont? Dont get me wrong some manufacturers have made mistakes with regards to service intervals Fiat for example, a lot of belts have gone before 50k when the service schedule recommend upwards of 70k on some engines.
I agree that regular changes can only be a good thing, but on the modern engine its not a neccesity between normal service intervals unless the vehicle is subject to conditions outside what is considered normal.

Just because oil gets black doesnt mean it is useless, if that was the case i should have changed the oil in my jeep every 1k miles instead of the 5k i used to do. But that was a 12 year old vehicle with only 40k on the clock.

And with the argument that manufacturers dont want there cars to last after so many years is rubbish, it wouldnt do there reputation any good would it if all there cars 'blew up' after 4 years! And Peugeot have a good reputation when it comes to diesel engines.


I know the Pug/Citroen dervs are good, My Mum has my old Xantia TD, with 180k on the clock, still going strong, due mainly to regular oil changes!!

AND! they class normall use as 12k/year, thats not normal for anyone!!

supermono

Original Poster:

7,368 posts

249 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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Mikey G said:
So your(sic) saying that manufacturers are wrong? So you all know how your engine should be treated and they dont?


I'm just saying that I think the manufacturers must have to work to a compromise, and it's cheap enough to mitigate against the possibility that their compromise is too far in favour of running costs against longevity.

SM

raw cerb

603 posts

249 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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Just made my mind up. Seems like common sense.

Peugeot main dealer looked at me like I was mad, when I suggested the extra oil change! They also wanted £120 for the change. However the pug dealer down the road want £29.95.

Matthew-TMM

4,028 posts

238 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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combemarshal said:
AND! they class normall use as 12k/year, thats not normal for anyone!!

confused

supermono

Original Poster:

7,368 posts

249 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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raw cerb said:
Peugeot main dealer looked at me like I was mad, when I suggested the extra oil change!

But then the Peugeot stealer said:
They wanted £120 for the change.


Perhaps that's why

They also looked at me like I was mad when I brought in the 207. First it was hard to book in because it was unnecessary, then when I turned up they asked me again if I was really sure about this.

There's a good chance we are mad, it's a bit like those religious people doing daft things to appease some god in case you need to to get to heaven. Different though because the oil change at least has some faint possibility of delivering something lol.

SM

steve_d

13,749 posts

259 months

Wednesday 14th February 2007
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If the decision is to reduce the interval because of soot contamination of the oil then I would suggest using a Halfords own brand (other cheap brands are available).
Mobile 1, as a top grade oil, will perform well over the service interval if it were not contaminated. With the short interval you are proposing any grade will last the distance.

Steve