A hypothetical question re: air / fuel mix

A hypothetical question re: air / fuel mix

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mrflibbles

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7,692 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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Ive been thinking lately (all hypothetical):

Say for eg you took the air filter out of your car. Assuming the air was completely clean (so no nasty particles to worry about) this would result in more air in the engine, hence a greater air : fuel ratio in the cylinders, ergo the engine would run lean. Am I right thus far?

So.

These 'performance air filters' alledgedly provide an easy path for air into the engine. Hence, more air in cyls etc etc. Result - lean running - poor performance.

So, when using these aftermarket filters, why dont you have to get yur mixture adjusted?

twin40s

153 posts

255 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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Depends on your engine.

If you have carbs then the amount of fuel drawn into the cylinde is proportional to the speed of the air flowing through the carb (well approximately) more air means faster flow, means more fuel.

If you have injection theres a thing called a lambda sensor which detects if if the mixture is correct, if its not the ECU will correct the fueling to suit

Simplified description but near enough

In both cases this only works if the change from standardf isnt too big

mrflibbles

Original Poster:

7,692 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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twin40s said:
Depends on your engine.

If you have carbs then the amount of fuel drawn into the cylinde is proportional to the speed of the air flowing through the carb (well approximately) more air means faster flow, means more fuel.

If you have injection theres a thing called a lambda sensor which detects if if the mixture is correct, if its not the ECU will correct the fueling to suit

Simplified description but near enough

In both cases this only works if the change from standardf isnt too big


So does the ECU learn instantaly? presumably making changes every second, or does it 'take averages' over a few hours / whatever?

numbnuts

602 posts

248 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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Oxygen sensor sends the signal to ecu.

MGBV8

160 posts

256 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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Changing to K&N's on SU's usually requires a change of needle.

Paul

v8guinness

204 posts

281 months

Thursday 19th February 2004
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SU's and some carbs require new needles...
Injected cars compensate... they have air flow meter, usually either a flap or more commonly a hot wire, from this they 'know' how much air is going in and fuel accordingly, the Lambda sensor is for fine compensation to ensure Lambda 1 (stoichiometric) for maximum cat life and cleaner emissions...

>> to add air flow metering for base control, lambda sensor to close the loop, feedback.
Most injected cars like many carb'd cars before them have various other features to improve transient response, and will still run rich in some situations.

>> daft typo

>> Edited by v8guinness on Thursday 19th February 01:57

>> Edited by v8guinness on Thursday 19th February 02:00