VW 1.4 TSI Oil Consumption
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Dave Hedgehog said:
its booked in for sat morning for an oil top up and consumption test
the nice lady said its allowed to burn 1ltr every 800 miles !!!!!!
thats just f
king shocking .........
Again, that's double what I was told by Skoda last week. 1L/800 miles means that you'd be putting 12 litres in between services. That's about 2 full engine fills. It's supposed to be a fixed service interval car!the nice lady said its allowed to burn 1ltr every 800 miles !!!!!!
thats just f
king shocking .........I'm 140 miles into my 186 mile consumption test. Have to book it in for Thursday, reckon I'll have done the other 40 by then. Haven't checked the level to see how it's going, but if it's anything like the consumption I had last month it should have drank about a sixth of a litre so far.
Brummmie said:
... coast down so as to pull as much past the rings/guides as possible, these consumption figures are no way acceptable...
..for clarity that's not coast as in neutral. Let the engine run down while in gear - 'on the over-run' it used to be called. A long steep hill would be ideal - slog up it in high gear, then turn around and let the car run down it with your foot off the accelerator to create a high vacuum in the engine.Had a look at one today it's just had the oil consumption test (drain refill do 60mile etc) & was given the all clear (which meant it had to be paid for 
) but since that the car has started smoking when you stick your foot done & also on the overrun it has done very few miles since the test but will see how the consumption goes over all, car only has 1800 miles on the clock it's just ridiculous
) but since that the car has started smoking when you stick your foot done & also on the overrun it has done very few miles since the test but will see how the consumption goes over all, car only has 1800 miles on the clock it's just ridiculous The bores are like a mirror the rings are not bedded in , has anybody bore scopped the engine ? the garage i use has a Snap on scope with picture taking options i will do this at the weekend and post the picture up.
Its the running in process and the oil they use to do the first 500 miles. Ive got a single cylinder 436 dirt bike i use on the road , when i rering this i ball hone the bore then wash in hot soapy water and let it dry.
Next install the piston in the bore dry !!!! no oil on the rings at all just a smear on the bottom of the skirt. Its important to use crap mineral oil start it up and keep revs high and give it large with the throtle till warm then turn off.
Wait 30 mins then spank the fook out of it up and down the box up through the gears and back down through the gears. With in 20 miles its run in , continue to use the same oil for 500 miles then i change it every 500 miles with 10/40 semi.
Uses hardly any oil between changes now and the motor has done nearly 43000 miles.
packman10_4 said:
Wait 30 mins then spank the fook out of it up and down the box up through the gears and back down through the gears. With in 20 miles its run in , continue to use the same oil for 500 miles then i change it every 500 miles with 10/40 semi.
There's an article somewhere on the web that talks about bedding rings in and I'm sure it says the first 10 miles are critical. When you get a new car it's probably done 10 miles and of course the engine will be have run to some extent out of the car and probably left idling for considerable periods before delivery to the customer.I agree with you guys about the break in, I've never followed manual instructions, but the problems that this engine has cannot be reconduced to a bad break in period, there is a specific problem...!
A modern engine cannot drink 1liter every 1000Km because is not used properly...!!
They must guarantee a normal functioning even if the car is used constantly in the trafic lanes of a big city...!!!
A modern engine cannot drink 1liter every 1000Km because is not used properly...!!
They must guarantee a normal functioning even if the car is used constantly in the trafic lanes of a big city...!!!
Deva Link said:
..for clarity that's not coast as in neutral. Let the engine run down while in gear - 'on the over-run' it used to be called. A long steep hill would be ideal - slog up it in high gear, then turn around and let the car run down it with your foot off the accelerator to create a high vacuum in the engine.
If you turn it around you have lost all the engine speed, you need to rev it to the red line, higher gear the better 3rd usually, as after that its getting illegal possibly, then let off completely, as said a downhill slope even better, when you have coasted nearly down to idle you could hoof it and see if you get blue smoke out of it, a clear indicator of something not sealing, sounds like rings, but can also indicate valve guide problems.. You can see here as i have lifted off after a drag run, that it is smoking, this is valve guides, i have just got the heads back from having new ones put in
Edited by Brummmie on Wednesday 15th February 09:58
Utterly confused by the results of my consumption test.
Listers Skoda in Coventry were very helpful in all respects, gave me a copy of the technicians report to take home and read and all, polite service and decent coffee.
Did 194 miles, used 5 grammes of oil. Using their guideline oil density means that it's consuming 5.953 litres/194 miles. Which is 30.7ml/1000miles, which sounds perfect really. Still confused as to why it seemed to use about 1200ml/1100 miles for my first month of ownership.
Couple of theories:
It was bloody cold last month compared to the last few days when I did my test.
I did more motorway miles that normal over the last few days.
In fairness I've been enjoying the cars performance the last while and it hasn't had an easy life recently.
Main suspect is that it didn't get a full fill when it was serviced before I bought it. Never checked the oil level until 2 weeks in. Checked it, was low, put in .5L. Couple weeks later it was near the low mark again, put in 0.5L but I checked it warm without time to drip. When the level was measured by a Skoda tech it was .25L down. So if it was low to begin with that would make sense.
End of the day all I can do is keep an eye on it and call them if it looks like it's using too much oil. The figures today suggest it's not. As I said, confused.
Listers Skoda in Coventry were very helpful in all respects, gave me a copy of the technicians report to take home and read and all, polite service and decent coffee.
Did 194 miles, used 5 grammes of oil. Using their guideline oil density means that it's consuming 5.953 litres/194 miles. Which is 30.7ml/1000miles, which sounds perfect really. Still confused as to why it seemed to use about 1200ml/1100 miles for my first month of ownership.
Couple of theories:
It was bloody cold last month compared to the last few days when I did my test.
I did more motorway miles that normal over the last few days.
In fairness I've been enjoying the cars performance the last while and it hasn't had an easy life recently.
Main suspect is that it didn't get a full fill when it was serviced before I bought it. Never checked the oil level until 2 weeks in. Checked it, was low, put in .5L. Couple weeks later it was near the low mark again, put in 0.5L but I checked it warm without time to drip. When the level was measured by a Skoda tech it was .25L down. So if it was low to begin with that would make sense.
End of the day all I can do is keep an eye on it and call them if it looks like it's using too much oil. The figures today suggest it's not. As I said, confused.
CatScan said:
Utterly confused by the results of my consumption test.
You are not the first one to be confused, in our Italian forum we had some cases like yours...http://www.polovw.it/foro/viewtopic.php?f=47&t...
You may help with google translator, this guy had an high consumption in few kms, then again normal, in that period he also did a lot of city travels and not highway as usual...
It seems that short trips don't help, on the countrary is better to drive fast as soon as the oil temp is enough (80°C)...
I'm confused too and overall worried, this oil consumption could come out suddenly, not easy to demonstrate to the dealer and what about if it comes out when warranty has expired...????
CatScan said:
Main suspect is that it didn't get a full fill when it was serviced before I bought it. Never checked the oil level until 2 weeks in. Checked it, was low, put in .5L. Couple weeks later it was near the low mark again, put in 0.5L but I checked it warm without time to drip. When the level was measured by a Skoda tech it was .25L down. So if it was low to begin with that would make sense.
Hmmm...everything suddenly gets very vague. Surprised you didn't check the levels more carefully.Try the "sale of goods" act. VW promises a proper car that will be compliant to EU mandated emissions regulations. With that amount of oil consumption, there is no way they can meet EU emissions standards. Also, the oil consumption levels that they state are "acceptable" are not for new cars, but for determination if a rebuild engine is required on a "worn" car. 10 years and/or 100.000 miles is how long a car should last, more or less. If a brand new car already has an engine that is worn so much that it's close to rebuild time, they did not sell the car with an engine that will last 100.000 miles or 10 years. Sale of goods then gives you plenty of rights to have them fix it, whether the factory claims it's still within limits or not.
DutchWhizzMan said:
Try the "sale of goods" act. VW promises a proper car that will be compliant to EU mandated emissions regulations. With that amount of oil consumption, there is no way they can meet EU emissions standards. Also, the oil consumption levels that they state are "acceptable" are not for new cars, but for determination if a rebuild engine is required on a "worn" car. 10 years and/or 100.000 miles is how long a car should last, more or less. If a brand new car already has an engine that is worn so much that it's close to rebuild time, they did not sell the car with an engine that will last 100.000 miles or 10 years. Sale of goods then gives you plenty of rights to have them fix it, whether the factory claims it's still within limits or not.
And if outside the strict tme limits for rejection then there is always breach of contract/warranty.When my BMW 525d returned from it's first oil service I checked the level, it was on minimum. If the workshop do this on every car they can save a lot of oil @ £10+/ litre. I wonder if this is the cause of varying oil consumption on some cars.
Incidentaly I use VW 5w/30 in my old E46 328i, sourced from a local independent garage, the engine does not use a drop between changes.
I had a brand new 2002 A6 2.4 V6 petrol, it guzzled oil from new to 25000m, it was delivered with a litre bottle of top up oil in the boot,the more things change the more they stay the same.
Incidentaly I use VW 5w/30 in my old E46 328i, sourced from a local independent garage, the engine does not use a drop between changes.
I had a brand new 2002 A6 2.4 V6 petrol, it guzzled oil from new to 25000m, it was delivered with a litre bottle of top up oil in the boot,the more things change the more they stay the same.
kawabanga said:
UNBELIVABLE, the guy in the link below, with his Ibiza TSI 180hp, never had a problem till now in 35.000Kms, he checked the oil level 1.000Kms ago and was ok; suddenly he had the RED oil light on!
IBIZA
This engine is a gamble, you never know what expect from it...
bIBIZA
This engine is a gamble, you never know what expect from it...
ks. Most likely the sump is cracked or something like that.Look at this video, very interesting...
That piston is very bad...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR7sQsCalm4
That piston is very bad...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR7sQsCalm4
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