MC20 - Anyone else submitted their spec this week?
Discussion
LordOfTheManor said:
I don't think it's going to hold its value because they will always bring out the next one
that will be faster and more aggressive or even electric (petrol will be too expensive !!)
were they going to hold their value before you cancelled your order?that will be faster and more aggressive or even electric (petrol will be too expensive !!)
Edited by LordOfTheManor on Thursday 30th June 17:57
Edited by footsoldier on Thursday 30th June 18:10
Now been quoted approximately 2.5 years for a Ceilo delivery if I order it now - went up by 6 mths in 48hrs. Basically they don't know I think is the summary.
I've said I'll pass on it and take my chances once they start deliveries...at which point I anticipate it being sooner than the elapsed 2.5yrs. I don't know whether its Maserati being suitably Italian in their approach, or whether its the dealers or... But I guess the normal approach unfortunately!
I've said I'll pass on it and take my chances once they start deliveries...at which point I anticipate it being sooner than the elapsed 2.5yrs. I don't know whether its Maserati being suitably Italian in their approach, or whether its the dealers or... But I guess the normal approach unfortunately!
BigR said:
Now been quoted approximately 2.5 years for a Ceilo delivery if I order it now - went up by 6 mths in 48hrs. Basically they don't know I think is the summary.
I've said I'll pass on it and take my chances once they start deliveries...at which point I anticipate it being sooner than the elapsed 2.5yrs. I don't know whether its Maserati being suitably Italian in their approach, or whether its the dealers or... But I guess the normal approach unfortunately!
I know that they had a lot of demand for the Ceilo after the car was shown at GFS...... I've said I'll pass on it and take my chances once they start deliveries...at which point I anticipate it being sooner than the elapsed 2.5yrs. I don't know whether its Maserati being suitably Italian in their approach, or whether its the dealers or... But I guess the normal approach unfortunately!
f430hunter said:
Order in for the epyder,just got to configure now,not going to be easy choosing colour but for me must be light,imho one of the most exciting and gorgeous looking cars that has come out in last few years for the price.
I’ve fallen for grey after seeing this coupe at Brands Hatch earlier today, I think it was Grigio Incognito. Matched my GranTurismo perfectlyEdited by will-w on Sunday 14th August 20:52
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I’ve fallen for grey after seeing this coupe at Brands Hatch earlier today, I think it was Grigio Incognito. Matched my GranTurismo perfectly.
Now that's weird spoke to my dealer yesterday about grigio incognito but he couldn't really explain what the colour is lol,did you take a piccy Will?,the configurator is awful I cant tell what is what tbh lol
I’ve fallen for grey after seeing this coupe at Brands Hatch earlier today, I think it was Grigio Incognito. Matched my GranTurismo perfectly.
Now that's weird spoke to my dealer yesterday about grigio incognito but he couldn't really explain what the colour is lol,did you take a piccy Will?,the configurator is awful I cant tell what is what tbh lol
Similarly couldn't be spending that much on some carbon fibre trim. I wanted to spec the launch aquamarine colour, but the dealer said that it's not available to order, however, it may appear a couple of years down the line. Disappointment I have to say, so have gone with basically white - sparkly white in Italian. Probably.
I was also told, however, that there's no concern about bolting down the spec just yet as it's a year away from delivery. So after quite a lot of BS from the dealer locally who said a couple of years / need to buy a coupe first etc... another dealer was happy to help out and had a slot available (had bought from him before).
I was also told, however, that there's no concern about bolting down the spec just yet as it's a year away from delivery. So after quite a lot of BS from the dealer locally who said a couple of years / need to buy a coupe first etc... another dealer was happy to help out and had a slot available (had bought from him before).
I’m in same boat regarding carbon. Price seems out of proportion to rest of the car, but it also seems like a big improvement over the ‘plastic’. Pity you can’t remove the carbon bonnet from pack, as who needs that..?
I also had a look at Joe M car, and actually went out to dealer this week to see how it could be done after delivery. Very difficult I think, certainly to a good finish, so I wonder if that was done at factory?
I’m bordering on capitulation, as I think it will always bug me if I don’t add carbon, but not convinced yet! My car (coupe) is due Q1, we’re waiting for feedback on spec from factory which is closed atm.
I was tempted by some of the fouroserie colours, but from the photos of real cars I have seen, the configurator is miles away from being representative. Also turns out that a lot of the fouroserie pics on Instagram etc are renders, and a request for same leathers and other bits is more of a surprise to factory than you would have hoped!
Still,,,, cool car, looking forward to it
I also had a look at Joe M car, and actually went out to dealer this week to see how it could be done after delivery. Very difficult I think, certainly to a good finish, so I wonder if that was done at factory?
I’m bordering on capitulation, as I think it will always bug me if I don’t add carbon, but not convinced yet! My car (coupe) is due Q1, we’re waiting for feedback on spec from factory which is closed atm.
I was tempted by some of the fouroserie colours, but from the photos of real cars I have seen, the configurator is miles away from being representative. Also turns out that a lot of the fouroserie pics on Instagram etc are renders, and a request for same leathers and other bits is more of a surprise to factory than you would have hoped!
Still,,,, cool car, looking forward to it
Edited by footsoldier on Thursday 18th August 20:11
Edited by footsoldier on Thursday 18th August 20:11
f430hunter said:
will-w said:
I’ve fallen for grey after seeing this coupe at Brands Hatch earlier today, I think it was Grigio Incognito. Matched my GranTurismo perfectly.
Now that's weird spoke to my dealer yesterday about grigio incognito but he couldn't really explain what the colour is lol,did you take a piccy Will?,the configurator is awful I cant tell what is what tbh lol
I have seen the car in the flesh in a couple of colours now, but none of them had come close to highlighting the curves and design as much as this grey. It was really rather breathtaking - and that’s quite a statement about a grey car!
Edited by will-w on Tuesday 30th August 19:48
TP321 said:
Watched a video on youtube with that fat Australian guy in which he included the MC20 amongst his 5 worse depreciating supercars to be right now. Can’t remember his reasoning but he did mention the high cost of the extras.
most are trading at their list price or slightly above itJust watched that…ok it’s a video about depreciation, but there’s no knowledge of, or value given to, how the cars drive. Anyone that buys an M5CS just to park it up for investment, is unlikely to be smart enough to be able to afford an M5CS!
The Ferrari SF90 did nothing for me on a test drive, and it is struggling (in fact it is more comparable to an NSX than the MC20 is, in terms of driver experience).
Also, you can’t make a video forecasting 2 year depreciation at the moment without any reference to macro factors. The chances are that most ‘mid-market’ supercars that rely on financed buyers are going to take a hit. However, if the market stays mis-priced because of inflation and supply issues, there’s a good argument for buying cars at list today, as the list will be much higher in 2years! That will underpin used values
I do agree that the options are overpriced. Looking at Urus Performante spec and price list this week and it makes the Maserati cost of carbon etc look even more silly, and Urus has carbon included in base cost that would probably cost 40k on a MC20.
I know how Masers can depreciate - I once bought a QP Sport that had lost 50% in 2 years, thought that was great, but it lost 50% of what I paid in next 2! But, this one has had a great reception, although low key, and if you resist the silly priced exterior carbon pack, you can easily get one well specced at 220-225k, which compares well to a 296GTB which is going to be high 200s at least.
I’d say the current market is - buy what you want to drive, don’t expect to make a turn on anything, don’t spend silly money on options, and in worst case you can always keep it longer and the depreciation only kicks in when you sell!
Don’t run the risk of negative equity though, which can lead to a painful forced sale - I bought my Lusso at 50% of list after 2 years and 5k miles. Previous owner had to write a large cheque to get out..
Ironically, and only cos of dysfunctional market, I’ve put 25k miles on it, and it’s probably worth the same! Come next spring, I’m not so sure…
The Ferrari SF90 did nothing for me on a test drive, and it is struggling (in fact it is more comparable to an NSX than the MC20 is, in terms of driver experience).
Also, you can’t make a video forecasting 2 year depreciation at the moment without any reference to macro factors. The chances are that most ‘mid-market’ supercars that rely on financed buyers are going to take a hit. However, if the market stays mis-priced because of inflation and supply issues, there’s a good argument for buying cars at list today, as the list will be much higher in 2years! That will underpin used values
I do agree that the options are overpriced. Looking at Urus Performante spec and price list this week and it makes the Maserati cost of carbon etc look even more silly, and Urus has carbon included in base cost that would probably cost 40k on a MC20.
I know how Masers can depreciate - I once bought a QP Sport that had lost 50% in 2 years, thought that was great, but it lost 50% of what I paid in next 2! But, this one has had a great reception, although low key, and if you resist the silly priced exterior carbon pack, you can easily get one well specced at 220-225k, which compares well to a 296GTB which is going to be high 200s at least.
I’d say the current market is - buy what you want to drive, don’t expect to make a turn on anything, don’t spend silly money on options, and in worst case you can always keep it longer and the depreciation only kicks in when you sell!
Don’t run the risk of negative equity though, which can lead to a painful forced sale - I bought my Lusso at 50% of list after 2 years and 5k miles. Previous owner had to write a large cheque to get out..
Ironically, and only cos of dysfunctional market, I’ve put 25k miles on it, and it’s probably worth the same! Come next spring, I’m not so sure…
Good post by Footsoldier and an accurate analysis of the near future Supercar values. I'm guessing the 296GTB at nearly £250k without a single option box ticked which will be at least £300k for a decent saleable spec will fare much worse than the MC20 in depreciation. The SF90 lost its first owners in the region of a £100k with hardly any miles, simply because any non limited Supercar powered by a hybrid powertrain don't sell well used.
The hybrid gubbins results in unnecessary mass and complexity which are future expensive headaches are going to put off canny used buyers. None of the above can be directed at the MC20 and with its CF chassis and gull wing doors offers something neither of the two Ferraris can.
I bought my 812SF at two years old with 1.8k miles at £100k less than what the first owner paid. It also had negative equity and my purchase was delayed waiting for the previous owner to write a cheque to clear the difference.
I reckon the trade bid on my 812 is more than I paid for it even accounting for Ferrari dealers generous margin.
The hybrid gubbins results in unnecessary mass and complexity which are future expensive headaches are going to put off canny used buyers. None of the above can be directed at the MC20 and with its CF chassis and gull wing doors offers something neither of the two Ferraris can.
I bought my 812SF at two years old with 1.8k miles at £100k less than what the first owner paid. It also had negative equity and my purchase was delayed waiting for the previous owner to write a cheque to clear the difference.
I reckon the trade bid on my 812 is more than I paid for it even accounting for Ferrari dealers generous margin.
Edited by Taffy66 on Thursday 1st September 08:06
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