Front chassis legs & rust

Front chassis legs & rust

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marksx

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5,052 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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I have read a bit about the front chassis legs being a weak point for rust.

I have never actually seen anything though.

Where exactly is t referring to?

While my engine is out I may as well address/prevent it.

99PBATR

486 posts

79 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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I can heartily recommend using the Rust Bullet treatment system, its utterly awesome. Used it on my last car. Amazing stuff and the final finish looks fantastic in gloss black lick

Lincsls1

3,338 posts

141 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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I think, but could be wrong that this is part of the chassis leg. What the front sub-frame bolts to.
It is a thick box section and I'm sure its open ended at the front of the car. They can rot inside out, especially if some of the drain holes along it are blocked.
Make sure the drains are clear and then consider spraying your choice of wax oil type product inside until it runs out of the drain holes.
I think some people have used old engine oil for this type of thing.

marksx

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5,052 posts

191 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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That looks familiar! biggrin

Where the metal overlaps and the subframe bolts on. Gotcha.

Thank you!

throwyourbike

704 posts

152 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Look underneath the car and you’ll see them coming down either side of the headers.

Some cars seem to rust pretty badly on the insides next to the headers.

As above you can access them through the engine bay. I did mine with Dinitrol but I’m sure there are other products which do just as good a job for less money.

Global-i

366 posts

217 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Not the best picture, they typically go where the red cross is about an inch forward but I could not find and image of that bit.
This is taken from underneath where the chassis leg joins the bulkhead and floor pan. If there is a bulge in this area the rust is already between the layers of metal and it just a question of time before the outer layer perforates.

marksx

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191 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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So this is probably well on its way then..





What's the fix? If it's from the inside do you have to cut out and plate over?

Global-i

366 posts

217 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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marksx said:
So this is probably well on its way then..




What's the fix? If it's from the inside do you have to cut out and plate over?
Can’t really tell from the pictures, as I said in the previous post if there is a bulge where the red X is then there is corrosion between the layers, how bad it is you can’t really tell until the expanding rust makes the outer layer so thin it cracks.
The answer if it is that bad is to cut it out and plated it over, looking at yours I think you might get away with just de rusting that and painting it. I would not advocate cutting it out until it is perforated and obviously in need of attention.
For prevention just make sure you lace the inside with plenty of Dinitrol ML cavity wax. Ultimately you want to stop the water getting between the layers from the inside as well.
The other place they are a bit dodgy is under the battery tray.


marksx

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191 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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Revisiting this thread now I have another red ro on the driveway.

This time the legs are much worse. The tops look ok, but underneath just forward of the drain holes it is bad. Where the rear section of chassis sort of overlaps the front it is crumbling away. Same on both sides.


Lincsls1

3,338 posts

141 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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Don't worry, there's nothing that can't be fixed. I watch car SOS and some of what I've seen being repaired is unbelievable.
It might be that the area in question needs grinding to reveal the extent of the problem. Then metal being cut out and replaced in a new double skin arrangement.
Check out this repair on an old Cavalier rear chassis leg. A very similar issue I think...










marksx

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191 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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I hope it can be fixed. Those pics give me some hope!

What I could do with is finding a garage that can do all this.

Repair or treat any rust underneath then underseal it.

I've undersealed a monaro before, but rust repair on this scale is beyond me.

Lincsls1

3,338 posts

141 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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Got any pics?
Like I've said, I'm sure its repairable. That SOS bunch practically reconstructed an entire Merc on one show.
I'd start asking around locally for a person known to be a good welder, then take it for a quote.
This is what I've got happening on one of my front legs, the other side appears totally clean...



How does it compare?

mfp4073

1,946 posts

175 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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If you find heavy corrosion don't mess about just cut it all out and get back to good sound steel. Yes, it's a pain, but if the rest of the car is good it's worth doing.
Look at it this way you can repair it properly, then rust proof it, you will end up with a better and longer lasting job than the factory ever did.

John

marksx

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Sunday 21st October 2018
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I don't think it compares....


Lincsls1

3,338 posts

141 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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I'm gonna get this repaired properly, then get the insides sprayed with a WaxOyl type product to help future proof it, but to be honest I think limiting the cars use to fine weather only will be its biggest saviour. Mine is now a fair weather only car with limited miles too.

marksx

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Sunday 21st October 2018
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Likewise for me. Any sign of rain and I'm in the fiesta!

Lincsls1

3,338 posts

141 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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marksx said:
I don't think it compares....

Yeah that's grim. But still repairable I'm sure. And weirdly stuff like this doesn't take the professionals that long to sort and its not really expensive in a normal Monaro kind of way!
Had you noticed this before purchase?

marksx

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Sunday 21st October 2018
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No I didn't spot it. That will teach me to view a car while I've a massive hangover and it's pissing down with rain!

Lincsls1

3,338 posts

141 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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marksx said:
No I didn't spot it. That will teach me to view a car while I've a massive hangover and it's pissing down with rain!
Oh no gutted! We live n learn.
My recent Monaro purchase as since revealed quite a few gremlins, I'm well on with sorting them all out though. I can't believe some of the things I over looked when viewing. I missed that bit of corrosion too, but that wouldn't have been a deal breaker. The sum total of issues I've found would have be though! Too late now and I'm kind of enjoying saving my car anyway. smile

marksx

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191 months

Sunday 21st October 2018
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It was a good price so I expected issues.

Described with a problem with the cat, missing fogs etc.

I expected some rust but not this bad. Hey ho.

Going to need all the hard fluid lines replacing too.