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This is in my view a really interesting thread, the car in question is a Holden import badged as a vxr or Vauxhall as are all our cars.
My friend in Australia who also has a Monaro calls our version a GTO. He has a cv8 with the LS1 engine.
Personally I would rather not be related to the VXR brand due to the fact that the Monaro isn't a hot hatch but a grand tourer.
This in my view is why our cars are not truly valued for what they are - because people in general in the UK have never seen one before.
My friend in Australia who also has a Monaro calls our version a GTO. He has a cv8 with the LS1 engine.
Personally I would rather not be related to the VXR brand due to the fact that the Monaro isn't a hot hatch but a grand tourer.
This in my view is why our cars are not truly valued for what they are - because people in general in the UK have never seen one before.
George Smiley said:
The value is simply due to lack Of pedigree, even more so in the 500s case.
When some of us bought our cars new then spent an obscene amount of money trying to make them faster, pedigree didn’t come into it. Still doesn’t and the reason for mine is largely due to Mad Max. It’s an 800hp supercharged V8 Aussie monster. Couldn’t care less what it’s worth to somebody else.
stu vxr said:
This is in my view a really interesting thread, the car in question is a Holden import badged as a vxr or Vauxhall as are all our cars.
My friend in Australia who also has a Monaro calls our version a GTO. He has a cv8 with the LS1 engine.
Personally I would rather not be related to the VXR brand due to the fact that the Monaro isn't a hot hatch but a grand tourer.
This in my view is why our cars are not truly valued for what they are - because people in general in the UK have never seen one before.
I agree with you 10000000% about the VXR brand. Not my cup of tea at all. My friend in Australia who also has a Monaro calls our version a GTO. He has a cv8 with the LS1 engine.
Personally I would rather not be related to the VXR brand due to the fact that the Monaro isn't a hot hatch but a grand tourer.
This in my view is why our cars are not truly valued for what they are - because people in general in the UK have never seen one before.
wormus said:
When some of us bought our cars new then spent an obscene amount of money trying to make them faster, pedigree didn’t come into it. Still doesn’t and the reason for mine is largely due to Mad Max. It’s an 800hp supercharged V8 Aussie monster.
Couldn’t care less what it’s worth to somebody else.
Wow! Can't imagine that sort of power.Couldn’t care less what it’s worth to somebody else.
wormus said:
George Smiley said:
The value is simply due to lack Of pedigree, even more so in the 500s case.
When some of us bought our cars new then spent an obscene amount of money trying to make them faster, pedigree didn’t come into it. Still doesn’t and the reason for mine is largely due to Mad Max. It’s an 800hp supercharged V8 Aussie monster. Couldn’t care less what it’s worth to somebody else.
Cossies , classic m's etc all had the pedigree which is why they command a premium. Had holden released a gts500 in Aus, then it might mean something
I understand why Vauxhall wanted a VXR brand and why the Monaro was the top of the tree at that time, but it really didn't add anything to the car.
In fact it turned out quite the opposite, It certainly doesn't float my boat, and I doubt if it really adds any value to the car.
When I look at a VXR Monaro I ignore that badge and I see an HSV, and that's where the value lies.
It's a shame that Vauxhall just didn't leave well alone. But as has been said many time before, we actually got the cars in the UK and we should be thankful.
I bought my Monaro CV8 because I knew exactly what it was, and it ticked all the boxes for me.
And yes, Mad Max 1 started my interest in Australian cars....and that was way back in 1979.
As for Tom Hardy in Fury Road.....er no...what was that about.
That's another 2p worth.
In fact it turned out quite the opposite, It certainly doesn't float my boat, and I doubt if it really adds any value to the car.
When I look at a VXR Monaro I ignore that badge and I see an HSV, and that's where the value lies.
It's a shame that Vauxhall just didn't leave well alone. But as has been said many time before, we actually got the cars in the UK and we should be thankful.
I bought my Monaro CV8 because I knew exactly what it was, and it ticked all the boxes for me.
And yes, Mad Max 1 started my interest in Australian cars....and that was way back in 1979.
As for Tom Hardy in Fury Road.....er no...what was that about.
That's another 2p worth.
George Smiley said:
But you car isn't at question here, a bog standard car with a badge attached to a crap supercharger isn't worth it, is it?
Cossies , classic m's etc all had the pedigree which is why they command a premium. Had holden released a gts500 in Aus, then it might mean something
Wormas or Roger or anybody else can you please try and talk some sense into George.Cossies , classic m's etc all had the pedigree which is why they command a premium. Had holden released a gts500 in Aus, then it might mean something
We are different full stop.
mfp4073 said:
I understand why Vauxhall wanted a VXR brand and why the Monaro was the top of the tree at that time, but it really didn't add anything to the car.
In fact it turned out quite the opposite, It certainly doesn't float my boat, and I doubt if it really adds any value to the car.
When I look at a VXR Monaro I ignore that badge and I see an HSV, and that's where the value lies.
It's a shame that Vauxhall just didn't leave well alone. But as has been said many time before, we actually got the cars in the UK and we should be thankful.
I bought my Monaro CV8 because I knew exactly what it was, and it ticked all the boxes for me.
And yes, Mad Max 1 started my interest in Australian cars....and that was way back in 1979.
As for Tom Hardy in Fury Road.....er no...what was that about.
That's another 2p worth.
When people ask me what it is I take a deep breath - In fact it turned out quite the opposite, It certainly doesn't float my boat, and I doubt if it really adds any value to the car.
When I look at a VXR Monaro I ignore that badge and I see an HSV, and that's where the value lies.
It's a shame that Vauxhall just didn't leave well alone. But as has been said many time before, we actually got the cars in the UK and we should be thankful.
I bought my Monaro CV8 because I knew exactly what it was, and it ticked all the boxes for me.
And yes, Mad Max 1 started my interest in Australian cars....and that was way back in 1979.
As for Tom Hardy in Fury Road.....er no...what was that about.
That's another 2p worth.
"Imported from Australia as an HSV GTO, rebadged as a Vauxhall Monaro VXR, then returned (by a previous owner) to its former glory as an HSV GTO"
I'm not particularly bothered where that conversation goes; so it's a Vauxhall or what is HSV, it's just nice that it piques interest at all.
George Smiley said:
But you car isn't at question here, a bog standard car with a badge attached to a crap supercharger isn't worth it, is it?
Cossies , classic m's etc all had the pedigree which is why they command a premium. Had holden released a gts500 in Aus, then it might mean something
Why must it mean something? Have you driven one? It’s obvious you don’t get it and that’s fine. After 13 years of owning mine I still get excited every time I turn the key. With long tube headers, no cats and a lumpy cam it sounds like a spitfire when it catches. I could afford a Porsche, M car or AMG but they leave me cold as they are ubiquitous and rather dull. We are all different. Cossies , classic m's etc all had the pedigree which is why they command a premium. Had holden released a gts500 in Aus, then it might mean something
I agree with most of the comments here, it's not a Vauxhall and has nothing really to do with Vauxhall as a brand. It's either a Holden or a HSV. The only thing on my car saying Vauxhall is the VIN plate. People ask me what it is and I say a HSV Monaro. People that know their cars know what they are anyway. Not snobbery just not a Vauxhall. As was said earlier, Vauxhall did us a favour by importing them, so they deserve some respect for that.
I agree that the VXR badge is very much at odds with the other VXR based offerings...our cars have nothing in common with the Corsa/Vectra/Insignia etc offerings
I agree that the VXR badge is very much at odds with the other VXR based offerings...our cars have nothing in common with the Corsa/Vectra/Insignia etc offerings
If you own a Monaro which is either standard or modified, to a certain a group of people ( like me for example ) it really doesn't matter, you either get the V8 muscle car thing or you don't.
I often feel the Monaro was born out of its time, it kind of occupies a twilight world all of its own.
It came long after the original muscle cars had disappeared and straight into a world of fuel economy and polical correctness, which lets be honest is a really crap place to be.
Anyhoo...overall the Monaro did pretty well for itself, and if you own one think of yourself as a keeper of the flame....a road warrior...or a......OK that's enough....
I often feel the Monaro was born out of its time, it kind of occupies a twilight world all of its own.
It came long after the original muscle cars had disappeared and straight into a world of fuel economy and polical correctness, which lets be honest is a really crap place to be.
Anyhoo...overall the Monaro did pretty well for itself, and if you own one think of yourself as a keeper of the flame....a road warrior...or a......OK that's enough....
I love my fat Calibra V8.
Or is it an V8 Omega coupe?
Vauxhall? Holden? HSV? Who cares. All are products of GM.
Like many Monaro owners, we have one because we want one, not because we can't afford something else. And that speaks volumes about these cars and how they make you smile.
As said many times by others too, every time I drive mine its an event inducing a big smile across my face!
Or is it an V8 Omega coupe?
Vauxhall? Holden? HSV? Who cares. All are products of GM.
Like many Monaro owners, we have one because we want one, not because we can't afford something else. And that speaks volumes about these cars and how they make you smile.
As said many times by others too, every time I drive mine its an event inducing a big smile across my face!
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