Linden Stage III Monaro slower than Lancer FQ320??? really??

[MCD]

Can i gauge your opinion on something.................

Realistically speaking, how is my Monaro CV8 in its current Linden Stage II & Wortech remap state likely tocompare to a Lancer EVo7 FQ320 on straight line speed?

I ask as ive made the mistake of posting up the events i had racing above mentioned car at the weekend on another forum and have now come under strong debate from the Lancer Register.. Briefly My experience was on joining the motorway where i stayed with said vehicle to 60ish....... and from around 60/70ish starting pulling away and eventually pulling away in a very very big way...

Now then, certain lancer owners say a Monaro VXR recently recorded a 30-130mph time of 33secs? yet a lancer evo (not sure which one) did this in 17sec? is this possible? I thought even a standard VXR monaro did 0-100mph in 12.5sec?

So, do i have my head in the clouds... was the evo just playing with me??

Sorry to post a this type of thread, but any feedback on my thoughts over this experience would be appreciated!

Cheers,

Mike

[stevieturbo]

Id think the Evo would be quicker to be honest. Similar power, but almost 1/2 ton lighter. Thats a massive advantange.

I do doubt the 30-130 time of 33 seconds is true, as that isnt very quick at all.

[r988]

The Monaro time could have been in a single gear where the lancer time could have been using all the gears?

maybe thats the Monaros fourth or fifth gear only time, that would really sway the results, the Lancer would have much lower gear ratios also.

[booster]

If you went from a standing start his AWD would give him the advantage but from a roll I would have thought that your massive power advantage (~410 vs. 320) Would mean that you would pull away. The 33 second thing must definatlely have been measured in 6th gear which is notoriously long. Also these cars (subarus, evos) are geared mainly for 0-60 times and run out of steam after about 90 or 100.

>> Edited by booster on Monday 5th September 16:30

>> Edited by booster on Monday 5th September 16:31

[P47ThBolt]

Well FQs are FQ no doubt especially up to 100/120 and mid range in that region (as long as they are on boost). Just looking at EVO The Knowledge and the very telling power to weight figures for a 6.0 VXR(400HP similar probably less than your car) is 241. The FQ 320 is quoted at 237 so little in it.

The FQ will probably have better traction and immediate launch due to the highish ghearing of the CV8 diff.

Could be you were getting into your stride as he was loosing his or his change was wrong and got caught off boost although as I understand it the 'lower' FQs do not suffer too much from this.

Guess best way is to lay down a challenge to one of them! Santa Pod is coming up!

[caspy]

Motorway.....80....5.7 vxr....fq 340

fq pulls over and floors it as does vxr .....vxr man waves at the little boy in the back and the driver as he pulls straight past.

fq 340 spends next 3 miles within 3mm of rear bumper at 75.

Owner then went to the vxr's work base to enquire as to purchase price because he couldnt belive what happened.

True story.

[P47ThBolt]

Respect! What would your new beasty do!!

[pomona]

I doubt a NA LSI stage 3 would hold a Turboed Evo up to 100.Above 100 i think it might but my experience on track days i would go for the Evo every time up to the ton when NA.Get a blower and then the picture is different.

[stu harris]

We've gone back to back with one of the first FQ340's . Standing start it'll pull a few car lengths then its stay that way. All down to getting off the line.
In gear if the Monaro or the FQ were in the wrong gear either car would disappear backwards. V embarrassing in both cars.
And finally if both were in he right gear the Monaro would pull away.
Thats a VXR vs stock FQ340. Now the FQ400 or modded ones , will depend on the gear the combatants find themselves in at the time ....
The 33 sec time is in 6th
And the FQ's seem quicker that the Imprezzzzas.

Now stop being naughty boys.

Stu

[mcd]

Thanks for the help guys...

Only now im going to leave it! This started out as a nice chat on vvoc.com with some vectra owners that i know.

Anyway, for some reason the lads a Mitusbishi Lancer register took offence to it and launched a torrent of abuse, laughing away my Monaro claims etc etc..


I feell such an idiot! Why do i get involved in such debates! Ah well live and learn!

Mike

[stevieturbo]

The MLR can be an odd bunch, who think their cars are unbeatable.

It was them who dreamed up this 30-130mph thing, as they are scared to launch their car, with their chocolate diffs.

[mcd]

www.lancerregister.com/mlr_show30130.php

This is the chart... the Monaro is second from last!? I find this very confusing.... I just can see how it can take 33 sec to get from 30-130mph?

Any ideas or thoughts??? This is reported to 'not' be done in 6th gear, but surely it was fluffed or something?

Mike

[caspy]

The register shows the car was a Monaro (not VXR). I beleive that it was Allen at WRC's car so maybe he can advise us as to the details of the run.



>> Edited by caspy on Tuesday 6th September 13:18

[mcd]

Nice one Caspy,

So, what is his user name on here? I think i might send him a pm for information!

Its just bugging me this one.... hmmm

Mike

[caspy]

Weltmeister

[A57 HSV]

Find it hard to believe that figure of 33secs if using the gears, sounds more like a single (5th or 6th) gear figure.
Please let us know the outcome.
P.S Had an Evo7 trying to outdrag me on the M4 a couple of years ago. Looking in my mirrors, I noticed him pulling across to the hard shoulder with plumes of black smoke pouring out of the back!
It was white so maybe a Tomi? It was by junction 17.

[mcd]

Have PM'd Weltmeister so will see!

Cheers

Mike

[stevieturbo]

There is little chance it would take 33secs going through the gears. I just find that way too ahrd to believe.

Even the slowest Evos managed a lot less.

I think the Evo guys just want to live in their little dream world, where all their cars are fast.

Going by my datalogs from Elvington. My car ran a 30-130 of 8.7.
Almost makes their race cars look slow.

[mcd]

So ive been onto Allan at WRC and hes has confirmed a few things!

1. The Car was a standard 2005 CV8, so we are looking
2. The Car had a full boot of tools & full Tank of petrol, it was weighed before the run at 1800KG!!
3. The run ws slightly up hill.
4. He started in 2nd Gear and went through all gears!
5. Ran on shitty supermarket grade fuel. (i.e. not super)

So, his power to weight ratio of 345BHP @ 1800KG means only 191BHP per ton!

the FQ320 is 1400KG @ 326BHP, thats 232 per ton!

The Porsche GT3 which ran a 15.73 weighs 1270KG @ 300BHP, so thats 236BHP per ton!

So Monaro ran way way out of time, additionally Allan said he used all gears! Is that really necessary? as i thought 130mph would easily have been cracked in 4th gear at least! Im still amazed by the time...

What do you guys think?

Mike

[The Jackel]

I think you would be pushing 130 in fourth in a standard CV8.

I raced a TVR between the M1 and Silverstone and needed to change up at 120mph from 4th to 5th as I hit the rev limiter.

Don't know if this sounds about right to you guys