S1 Quickshifter
Discussion
Is that the sequential conversion thing?
I've seen it in a video in a VXR8.
To be honest, I don't really see the point, you still have to use the clutch etc. because it makes no actual changes to the gearbox, it just changes the movement of the shifter to a sequential action.
As such I can't see it being that much quicker really in the extremely rare moments you 'need' / want it to be quicker, and then the entire rest of the time you're driving the car you've got a silly great plunger to yank on to change gears up and down one at a time
Need to find somewhere to put some sort of gear indicator as well and keep that in sync. In my experience the OBD2 'gear' PID is wrong.
I've seen it in a video in a VXR8.
To be honest, I don't really see the point, you still have to use the clutch etc. because it makes no actual changes to the gearbox, it just changes the movement of the shifter to a sequential action.
As such I can't see it being that much quicker really in the extremely rare moments you 'need' / want it to be quicker, and then the entire rest of the time you're driving the car you've got a silly great plunger to yank on to change gears up and down one at a time
Need to find somewhere to put some sort of gear indicator as well and keep that in sync. In my experience the OBD2 'gear' PID is wrong.
fred bloggs said:
Unlees you want to put new syncros in the box everytime you drive the car, Id not bother.
Only dog engagement is suitable for sequential really. Or DCT.
The sequential shifter isn't doing anything your arm is already doing during a shift. It's purely a mechanism, nothing more. Your arm is still in control, and you still need to use the clutch.Only dog engagement is suitable for sequential really. Or DCT.
So no odds at all for the synchros.
But I'd still say it would be horrible for road use, only for the fact you are forced into patterns of going through all gears, and you can't just pop into neutral etc.
LC36 said:
Steve, your last paragraph has made the decision for me. I imagine it would be pretty good for the first 10 mins, rather not be faffing around looking for neutral. I'll be leaving it alone.
The way it works you probably can find neutral.....but it would require finesse with the lever, but that neutral would always be between the last 2 gears.ie you could find it between 4-5, 4-3 or whatever. You'd always have to choose one of those gears.
Generally speaking though say if coming to a stop from 4th though, you'd always need to do 4-3-2-1-0 etc etc.
I've driven and tuned cars with sequential boxes, for racing fine....for a road car it would be extremely annoying. Even more so a fairly lazy big V8.
It's why I opted to stick with a regular manual when I was considering a sequential for racing. But as it is also a road car....I just couldn't live with that
Must say though, a ZF8HP is getting very tempting
I have a S1 fitted to a T56 Magnum and I love it, I did have a B&M quick shifter but it was clumsy and the T56 boxes are a bit agricultural, you can't really shift that fast with them. Also with the S1 shifter if you wanted to you could select neutral between all gears and don't necessarily have to go all the way down the box. And you can go down the box very quickly if you want to as that is not a problem.
They do a load sensing lever for flat shifts with rev cut I think too but I have never looked into it.
I went for the S1 rather than a Sequential Dog box for my Ute as that would just drive me nuts, my mates Escort with a Quaife sequential box was good fun but not as a road car.
They do a load sensing lever for flat shifts with rev cut I think too but I have never looked into it.
I went for the S1 rather than a Sequential Dog box for my Ute as that would just drive me nuts, my mates Escort with a Quaife sequential box was good fun but not as a road car.
Edited by bonesxu1 on Wednesday 13th December 20:51
bonesxu1 said:
I have a S1 fitted to a T56 Magnum and I love it, I did have a B&M quick shifter but it was clumsy and the T56 boxes are a bit agricultural, you can't really shift that fast with them. Also with the S1 shifter if you wanted to you could select neutral between all gears and don't necessarily have to go all the way down the box. And you can go down the box very quickly if you want to as that is not a problem.
They do a load sensing lever for flat shifts with rev cut I think too but I have never looked into it.
I went for the S1 rather than a Sequential Dog box for my Ute as that would just drive me nuts, my mates Escort with a Quaife sequential box was good fun but not as a road car.
Yes you can "find" neutral between selections, but you can't just drop out of 4th into neutral, stop, then into 1st to take off for example.They do a load sensing lever for flat shifts with rev cut I think too but I have never looked into it.
I went for the S1 rather than a Sequential Dog box for my Ute as that would just drive me nuts, my mates Escort with a Quaife sequential box was good fun but not as a road car.
Edited by bonesxu1 on Wednesday 13th December 20:51
It's similar, but not the same.
I did see one other person on a forum with one, and they seemed to have lots of issues with shifting, as if it just wasn't right. How are you getting on with it ?
Does it work ok ?
Like you say if you were to go between gears you would need some finesse, realistically it would be something you would never do because it isn't a H pattern. You can nock it down as fast as you like no problem down to neutral . You need to play with it a little bit to get it setup, with mine being a Tick Performance T56 Magnum they get a new T56 Magnum then fit the GTO tail housing and there can be slight tolerance differences so you just have to do a bit more adjusting. I really like it.
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