I want a Sagaris but know the square root of nothing about!!

[Ross14]

glow worm said:

Highest price ? maybe , Tony Abrahams at HHC has one for £80k , but my buyer thought mine was nicer
Std'ish but with my enhancements but basically original ( unlike Alexs' ) . Std 4 litre engine . Now did TVRM say "bling" sorry John

Edited by glow worm on Thursday 13th April 22:08

Yep i bought Keiths Sagaris... a thing of true beauty,I had looked a number of cars over a number of months inc Tony's at HCC at £80K before jumping. Keith (who many of you know) has been fastidious in doing all the little jobs to make the car exceptional and the one for me. Just cannot take the grin of my face when i take her out

[ClockworkCupcake]

Don1 said:

I would suggest around £55k for a car that needs tidying, has 40k miles or the like? What would people say?

I should be putting my Sagaris up for sale soon and that's a pretty fair description of it actually. A good honest driven example that could do with a cosmetic tidyup but is mechanically completely sound. No garage queen - an honest, decent, loved, and driven car.

[cheeky]

I've just put my 4.3L Sagaris up for sale if you're interested. It's the red glow pearl one in the Classifieds, with the Str8Six 4.3 litre engine (which still has two years' warranty remaining). Pretty special. E-mail me if keen.

[ClockworkCupcake]

Blimey. Everyone seems to be selling at the moment.

[TVR4US]

I honestly think that the cars are going to go into free fall soon as just look at the ones that have been for sale for a very long time, people are not stupid and £70-80 grand for a 10+ year old TVR is just to heavy, and people were predicting these cars will fetch 100 grand plus were just fooling themselves, I think when the new TVR is launched next month you will see further cuts in Saggy prices as people try to get into a new TVR.
So sorry to offend Sagaris owners but it's just my opinion that's all....

[ClockworkCupcake]

TVR4US said:

I honestly think that the cars are going to go into free fall soon as just look at the ones that have been for sale for a very long time, people are not stupid and £70-80 grand for a 10+ year old TVR is just to heavy, and people were predicting these cars will fetch 100 grand plus were just fooling themselves, I think when the new TVR is launched next month you will see further cuts in Saggy prices as people try to get into a new TVR.
So sorry to offend Sagaris owners but it's just my opinion that's all....

It's difficult to call. The Sagaris will always be the last of the Wheeler-era Speed6 TVRs and that will appeal to some.

It will be interesting to see what the new TVR will do prices. It will either depress them or elevate them yet further.

Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Saturday 29th July 21:19

[Englishman]

No offence taken.

Personally I've no intention of selling up whatever it's real or perceived value is.

The new car is totally different to the Sagaris and aimed at a very different audience IMHO so will not compete. It is actually far closer to a Cerbera in concept. I’m looking forward to having one of each in the garage though.

[RedSpike66]

Englishman said:

No offence taken.

Personally I've no intention of selling up whatever it's real or perceived value is.

The new car is totally different to the Sagaris and aimed at a very different audience IMHO so will not compete. It is actually far closer to a Cerbera in concept. I’m looking forward to having one of each in the garage though.

I agree with you totally,and would love to be in the position to fund the purchase of the new one whilst keeping the Sagaris ....

[Legacywr]

I did sell mine. Not for anywhere near the top money being asked for cars, but, a decent profit in it for me

[julianc]

ClockworkCupcake said:

Blimey. Everyone seems to be selling at the moment.

No-one wants to keep them. Only Tamora owners want to keep their cars.

[GouramiX]

Hi All

great thread. Hopefully Im not seen as hi jacking it, but wanted to keep on this one rather than start a new one as it seems relevant.

Im a newbie on here and also looking around at the moment. Ive been looking at T350's because its more in my price range of around 35-40k. But I would love to stretch to a Sag.

Do both even compare as a car? What is it that makes the Sag almost double the price? Is it purely because it is newer? Or is there much more to it?

Im looking a a daily runner, I am I going to have the same or different challenges running a Sag Vs a T350?

Would love some advice on this and to see if someone can convince me to stretch to 55-60k on a Sag. But it seems the sensible thing would be to stick within budget on a T350.

Having said that - 'TVR owners' and 'sensible' never seem to go well together and Im probably asking the wrong people lol.

First real post - be gentle

J

[ClockworkCupcake]

GouramiX said:

Do both even compare as a car? What is it that makes the Sag almost double the price? Is it purely because it is newer? Or is there much more to it?

The Sagaris has different suspension pickups and geometry, which make for better handling. But mainly it is because it is the Halo car - the final and ultimate Wheeler-era TVR (yes, it went into production under Smolenski, but it was designed under Wheeler). That's what makes it so desirable.

As a car, the T350 would be entirely fine but you would always want the Sagaris. That's why people pay so much more for one.

I fully expect a load of T350 owners to now pile in and say that the T350 is better. But in their hearts, every one of them secretly wishes they had a Sagaris instead, no matter how vehemently they deny it.

[Chim450]

GouramiX said:

Hi All

great thread. Hopefully Im not seen as hi jacking it, but wanted to keep on this one rather than start a new one as it seems relevant.

Im a newbie on here and also looking around at the moment. Ive been looking at T350's because its more in my price range of around 35-40k. But I would love to stretch to a Sag.

Do both even compare as a car? What is it that makes the Sag almost double the price? Is it purely because it is newer? Or is there much more to it?

Im looking a a daily runner, I am I going to have the same or different challenges running a Sag Vs a T350?

Would love some advice on this and to see if someone can convince me to stretch to 55-60k on a Sag. But it seems the sensible thing would be to stick within budget on a T350.

Having said that - 'TVR owners' and 'sensible' never seem to go well together and Im probably asking the wrong people lol.

First real post - be gentle

J

The price difference between a Sag and other T cars is down to a few factors, but really comes down to perceived desirability. I haven't driven a Sag but have read that they are the best sorted out of the factory when it comes to handling, but I would say that you could achieve pretty much the same with the other T cars by uprating shocks, geo set up etc. Is a Sag 20K better than a T350, I would say no, market forces have dictated that. If I were you I'd buy the nicest car you can find in your price range.

[anonymous-user]

If you want a car to use every day, T350.

Sag wasn't worth the extra 10-12k new, certainly not worth the difference now.

However....if you are desperate for a Sag then that's what you need

[PGNSagaris]

The Sag is an icon. The T350 is its baby sister.

I'd happily own both, but only with the Sag already in the garage.

IMHO it's like the 911/Boxster argument. Both great cars...but the 911 is the boss.

[anonymous-user]

PGNSagaris said:

The Sag is an icon. The T350 is its baby sister.

I'd happily own both, but only with the Sag already in the garage.

IMHO it's like the 911/Boxster argument. Both great cars...but the 911 is the boss.

In terms of iconic status I agree.

In terms of ability, the 911s and boxers are quite some way apart. They are fundamentally different cars with a huge ranges of models that exacerbate the difference.

The two T cars are very close in ability, but desirability drives prices.

Is a T350 the baby sister? You've obviously not spent enough time driving either a T350 or a Sagaris as they can be to allow an understanding of how close the cars are....

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 29th August 07:49

[PGNSagaris]

I'm guessing you're a T350 owner.

Agree that the 911 driving dynamics and Boxster are more different but as with most of these things, it is about perception. A Sag owner will never pine to own a T350. But the opposite is, if we are being really honest, likely to be true.

[anonymous-user]

PGNSagaris said:

I'm guessing you're a T350 owner.

Agree that the 911 driving dynamics and Boxster are more different but as with most of these things, it is about perception. A Sag owner will never pine to own a T350. But the opposite is, if we are being really honest, likely to be true.

Had 3 Sags and one T350. as well as a healthy share of 911s

Current family T car, and its been there since 2005 is a Tamora, but let's not start that debate.

I only got into Sagaris ownership because of a T350 build issue.. but enjoyed almost every minute.

[KillerJim]

I've owned both, had a Sagaris for 5 years and then I've a T350 for the last 2 years..

If it was me, and I had the cash, go for the Sagaris.. I regret selling it every day it's sunny, the T350 is similar but I can't put my finger on what made the Sagaris so special..

I'm planning on turning my T350 into a Sagaris, it's probably as cheap now to do this and get a few tweaks / modifications done on the way (I don't care about resell value, this is going to stay with me..)

James

[monty quick]

I have to say that this is touching on an argument that always winds me up. It's like the car mag reviews that say an Aston Martin is better than a Jag; an Audi is better than a Skoda; whatever. If something costs twice as much; it obviously should be better!!!
I own a T350 and absolutely love it. It is an easy car to own, it draws attention wherever I park it and it doesn't seem to attract negative emotions from other drivers.
For the road a Sagaris is not much faster and doesn't handle appreciably better - on the track a Sag would have the edge but not by much.

If I could afford a Sagaris would I have one - yes.

The point is, when I purchased my car I could afford a really good T350 but I would have struggled to afford even a very bad Sagaris.

A long answer just to say - make your choice but make sure you buy the very best example that you can afford.