Sagaris on Collecting Cars next week

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Basil Brush said:

In no way looking to offend but the FFF head is a funny one for me. I'm sure it's a great piece of engineering but I have the (most probably wrong) perception that it doesn't add much performance and could be an issue if anything went wrong with it in the future, where as the stock head can be well sorted by a number of people now, unlike 20 years ago when I jumped into Tuscan ownership.

No offence taken.

The FFF2 isn't really about upping the performance. If you want pub bragging rights then you go to TVR Power and get their 4.5L conversion.

For me it was the engineering-lead attempt to correct the inherent flaws of the head design rather than just fitting better quality parts and hoping for the best like some of the other engine builders have done. That means extra oil and coolant pathways to address the issue of #6 cylinder having a habit of leaning out and melting. It also means completely dropping the Finger Followers and using bucket actuation instead.

Plus the Syvecs was the first ECU to market to crack the problem of getting knock sensors to work with the Speed6 engine. Others have since copied it though, so that's no longer unique.

Anyway, that was my reason for going down that path.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

borat52 said:

Regular auction house is different as you are given the opportunity to inspect the car.

You're not prevented from inspecting the car. It's just you have to make arrangements with the seller rather than the car being located at the auction house for you to wander around looking at all the cars whilst licking an ice cream on a fun day out at the auction.

[glow worm]

After Ex TVR engine builder "Dolly" Crabtrees very unfortunate fatal car accident didn't that the leave Racing Green very exposed in their engine re-build/development area ?

Edited by glow worm on Thursday 29th April 19:27

[Clockwork Cupcake]

glow worm said:

After Ex TVR engine builder "Dolly" Crabtrees very unfortunate fatal car accident didn't the leave Racing Green very exposed in their engine re-build/development area ?

I don't know. I've not really kept up with developments at Racing Green. I followed Woody (Racing Green's chief mechanic) when left RG to set up TVR101, plus dealt with Syvecs directly as they have become clients of mine.

[Don1]

Woody built mine (north of 440bhp), so unsure about the rest...

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Don1 said:

Woody built mine (north of 440bhp), so unsure about the rest...

Yes I was always a bit miffed about that. But we concluded it was your ACT inlet manifold and exhaust that gave that extra 29bhp over mine, as they were otherwise identical.

[Don1]

Yep, big exhaust, no cats and the airbox. The S6 likes to breathe...

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Don1 said:

Yep, big exhaust, no cats and the airbox. The S6 likes to breathe...

Mine was decat too, so just the exhaust and airbox. And possibly a different dyno unless yours was done on SRR's too?

[Don1]

SRR, a cold and wet October day with Ryan.

[Speed 3]

Is it the one now up for £75k at Str8Six ? Same colour and mileage but no mention of the mods.

My Tuscan sold yesterday for similar reasons to CC’s. I did SOR with a TVR specialist and got what I probably couldn’t get privately so quite happy with the price (if not the absence). Definitely several routes to market available for sellers.

Edited by Speed 3 on Friday 30th April 08:44

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Speed 3 said:

Is it the one now up for £75k at Str8Six ? Same colour and mileage but no mention of the mods.

No. Mine is still awaiting collection from the dealer who bought it (who is not Str8Six)

Speed 3 said:

My Tuscan sold yesterday for similar reasons to CC’s. I did SOR with a TVR specialist and got what I probably couldn’t get privately so quite happy with the price (if not the absence).

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Friday 30th April 09:11

[Englishman]

I see the yellow one went for £58,000 so expect that to be up at a similar price at a dealer before long.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Englishman said:

I see the yellow one went for £58,000 so expect that to be up at a similar price at a dealer before long.

It was bought by the same dealer who bought mine, funnily enough.

[Jonny TVR]

There isn't that much margin there for a dealer after they have brought it up to standard. £61.5k it cost them.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

One thing that did confuse / surprise me about the yellow Sagaris is that they listed replacing the rear red reflectors with clear ones as being some kind of a plus point or "enhancement" [sic], whereas surely that's actually illegal under Construction and Use Regulations? Goodness knows how it got through an MoT with those.

edit: actually The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations, which I think is part of the Road Traffic Act. Anyway, either way, I don't think it is legal as a reflector counts as a light-emitting surface.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Friday 30th April 13:14

[Gladers01]

Jonny TVR said:

There isn't that much margin there for a dealer after they have brought it up to standard. £61.5k it cost them.

There are a couple of Sags on ph for sale at £65k, agree slim profit margins for a dealer, very surprised what they sell for on CC, my only concern would be the winning bidder without viewing the car beforehand could potentially backtrack post auction despite paying the fee, hopefully not !

[Don1]

I see CC have some.... shall we say 'creative' shots of cars that means you don't have a full idea about it. Do they support videos on the site, a full walk-round (etc) would make the experience a little better?

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Gladers01 said:

my only concern would be the winning bidder without viewing the car beforehand could potentially backtrack post auction despite paying the fee, hopefully not !

True, although they would be out of pocket to the tune of the fee. One thing they cannot do is try to renegotiate the price with the seller. It's kind of all or nothing.

[ray von]

Don1 said:

I see CC have some.... shall we say 'creative' shots of cars that means you don't have a full idea about it. Do they support videos on the site, a full walk-round (etc) would make the experience a little better?

Would there be anything to stop a potential buyer asking for specific shots and the owner supplying them? Maybe clockwork cupcake can answer this?
Let's be honest as well there are dealers who take creative shots, look how many are taken avoiding the drivers bolster.

Agree with the poster suggesting little room for profit at those buying prices, more surprising the same dealer has bought both.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

ray von said:

Would there be anything to stop a potential buyer asking for specific shots and the owner supplying them? Maybe clockwork cupcake can answer this?

Nothing to stop it whatsoever, other than the rather rushed timeframe of the auction.

The auction page allows for registered bidders to ask questions and for the seller to respond. Indeed, I was asked for pics of the underside but unfortunately I did not have any but I did reply that I believed the underside of my car to be consistent with the rest of the car (which is a truthful reply).

ray von said:

Agree with the poster suggesting little room for profit at those buying prices, more surprising the same dealer has bought both.

I talked to him today actually, with regards to arranging the collection of my car, and he seems confident that there is still a margin there.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Who knows? He's obviously putting his money where is mouth when it comes to him thinking there is.