Speeding ticket, wasnt speeding and dodgy pics

[sidekickdmr]

Mornin!

Went past a speed van a couple of weeks ago, it was in a slow 30 zone and I was coasting along slowly.

When I saw the van I let off the throttle, didn't brake, checked my speedo and I was doing 32, and hoped I was under the threshold.

Got a ticket through yesterday for 37, which would be an indicated 39/40 and im 99% sure I wasn't doing this speed

Im not saying the camera got it wrong, and If it all checks out I'll happily take it on the chin as accurate.

The thing I find weird is the images, there are 3, the 'main' one, the one with the data/time and speed is just a black blob of nothingness

Another one cant see the reg

a 3rd can

Is this how it should look, or any chance the black image is an error that may have messed with the readout?

Ta

Edited by sidekickdmr on Thursday 16th March 09:48

[bobtail4x4]

I had one the other year, I saw the van, even pre warned by other drivers,
I was doing an indicated 30, got a ticket for 37,
the tracker on the car says I was doing 32,

I wrote in and still had to do a course.

[Beetnik]

I'm struggling with the narrative "Manual: Rear Plate" on the first pic when pics 2 & 3 are clearly showing the front.

[BertBert]

Similar here. Got a ticket for 39 in a 30 which I know from GPS would be reading 41 on speedo. I know that the speedo said 36 which when I saw the cam I thought would be marginal and probably a real 35. In the end I didn't contest as there wasn't anything to prove the readout on the pic was wrong and the outcome was the same anyway (3 pts or a course - got a course).

Whether your blank photo is a get out of jail free card or not I don't know, but it feels unlikely I'm afraid. If it means the difference between a ban (on a totter) or not, then worth looking at more. Otherwise probably no action you can take.

[BertBert]

Beetnik said:

I'm struggling with the narrative "Manual: Rear Plate" on the first pic when pics 2 & 3 are clearly showing the front.

Presumably it means that camera operator looked at the rear plate as the car went past to get the plate (rather than relying on the plate pic).

[Hammersia]

OP you are clearly a maniac driver and prison is too good for you.

I will await a legal opinion ITT but on principle I would fight this - I've done it before and won, but it's of course a faff so most people don't.

[CraigyMc]

I think you should see if agtlaw of this parish can help here.

--> www.counsel.direct and agtlaw member profile

[Yellow Lizud]

OP, are you sure it was for speeding or for having a pink number plate?

[Starfighter]

Some Nextbase dash cams show GPS calculated speed, might be worth looking at the meteors card.

[OutInTheShed]

sidekickdmr said:

Mornin!

Went past a speed van a couple of weeks ago, it was in a slow 30 zone and I was coasting along slowly.

When I saw the van I let off the throttle, didn't brake, checked my speedo and I was doing 32, and hoped I was under the threshold.

Got a ticket through yesterday for 37, which would be an indicated 39/40 and im 99% sure I wasn't doing this speed

Im not saying the camera got it wrong, and If it all checks out I'll happily take it on the chin as accurate.

The thing I find weird is the images, there are 3, the 'main' one, the one with the data/time and speed is just a black blob of nothingness

Another one cant see the reg

a 3rd can

Is this how it should look, or any chance the black image is an error that may have messed with the readout?

Ta

Edited by sidekickdmr on Thursday 16th March 09:48

I think they zapped you before you even let off the throttle.
Would that tie in with the 'distance'?
The photos are just so your wife can't take the points.

Academic really, the limit is 30.

[Driver101]

OutInTheShed said:

sidekickdmr said:

Mornin!

Went past a speed van a couple of weeks ago, it was in a slow 30 zone and I was coasting along slowly.

When I saw the van I let off the throttle, didn't brake, checked my speedo and I was doing 32, and hoped I was under the threshold.

Got a ticket through yesterday for 37, which would be an indicated 39/40 and im 99% sure I wasn't doing this speed

Im not saying the camera got it wrong, and If it all checks out I'll happily take it on the chin as accurate.

The thing I find weird is the images, there are 3, the 'main' one, the one with the data/time and speed is just a black blob of nothingness

Another one cant see the reg

a 3rd can

Is this how it should look, or any chance the black image is an error that may have messed with the readout?

Ta

Edited by sidekickdmr on Thursday 16th March 09:48

I think they zapped you before you even let off the throttle.
Would that tie in with the 'distance'?
The photos are just so your wife can't take the points.

Academic really, the limit is 30.

I agree that the speed camera van probably caught the OP before he noticed the van.

The first photo looks like you're coming up a hill. The second you're over the brow of the hill. Lifting off going up a hill will scrub off a few MPH quickly.

[BertBert]

Hammersia said:

OP you are clearly a maniac driver and prison is too good for you.

I will await a legal opinion ITT but on principle I would fight this - I've done it before and won, but it's of course a faff so most people don't.

How would you fight this one?

[austinsmirk]

Suck it up. You were probably 600/800 yards back when got zapped

Then saw van, backed off. You even think you were at 32, rather than below 30. Personally I drive like a kerb crawler around cameras. 20/25 mph for me. I couldn’t care less if I have some knob sat on my bumper: goodness what the the true speed is on the dash.

[Hammersia]

BertBert said:

Hammersia said:

OP you are clearly a maniac driver and prison is too good for you.

I will await a legal opinion ITT but on principle I would fight this - I've done it before and won, but it's of course a faff so most people don't.

How would you fight this one?

As I say, I will await an expert explanation of what has happened with the first pic.

For info, I won a case by researching whether a statutory instrument was in place for a temporary speed restriction - it wasn't.
So basically researching the obvious like signage, instrument calibration, SIs, accurate location paperwork etc. etc.

[sospan]

How close to the 30 zone were you before slowing-down?
How close to the start of the zone was the van?
Technically you need to at the zone limit before entering it ( passing the zone start sign). The camera might have picked you up as you entered the zone before slowing. Basically over the limit at entry and slowing too late.

[Pica-Pica]

austinsmirk said:

Suck it up. You were probably 600/800 yards back when got zapped

Then saw van, backed off. You even think you were at 32, rather than below 30. Personally I drive like a kerb crawler around cameras. 20/25 mph for me. I couldn’t care less if I have some knob sat on my bumper: goodness what the the true speed is on the dash.

I always tap the speed limiter as I enter a 30, making sure it reads 32/33 mph. I have seen a few local villages with a PC and a speed gun, rather than a van.

[martinbiz]

They undoubtedly saw you a considerable distance before you saw them, unfortunately quite common

Nothing amiss with the pics, they will also have far higher res ones than those they send you

[Durzel]

As has been said already by the time you see the van it's already too late, because they're something you just notice and are surprised by whereas you're something they've actively targeting.

If you think you were doing 32 then you probably were doing the speed they allege, and arguing otherwise by saying "I was only doing 32 in a 30" is obviously not a brilliant strategy, particularly as the punishments would be identical and you lose the option of a SAC etc by fighting it on a point of principal.

[martinbiz]

Hammersia said:

BertBert said:

Hammersia said:

OP you are clearly a maniac driver and prison is too good for you.

I will await a legal opinion ITT but on principle I would fight this - I've done it before and won, but it's of course a faff so most people don't.

How would you fight this one?

As I say, I will await an expert explanation of what has happened with the first pic.

For info, I won a case by researching whether a statutory instrument was in place for a temporary speed restriction - it wasn't.
So basically researching the obvious like signage, instrument calibration, SIs, accurate location paperwork etc. etc.

That's as maybe, but as asked how would you go about this one? Yes of course check all the obvious things, but Using that logic you may as well take them on for every ticket in the vanishingly unlikely hope that there maybe something procedurally amiss, a very risky and expensive strategy. Sometimes the pragmatic approach is the way to go especially when the punishment is most likely to be a course if the OP is eligible

Edited by martinbiz on Thursday 16th March 13:46

[surveyor_101]

The top capture of speed shows 143m when they locked in 37mph. Think manual rear plate is a red herring, the Operator has not changed it to on coming (front plate) I don't fancy going to court with that defence.

So that 156 yards in old money, I am not a expert on these devices but that's what the black section shows!


Knowing that road its clearly 30, Exeter is also trailing a new CCTV mobile phone camera system on poles from a van to look into your car!


Normally the speed image bat would be overlaid clearly over the image of your car, the older LT20/20 used to target the number that crosshair.

So I get why the OP is concerned.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 13:47