The final straw? It's bloody close....
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Had a similiar problem with a new MGF I had (one of the first of the production line), had no end of problems, leaking doors, oil filter coming off, faulty electrics etc etc etc. In the end parked it on the garage forecourt with a huge sign in the window listing all the faults and locked the doors. Left it their for two days, then when in and had a chat with a sales guy, he started to say what a tosser the guy was who had left his car on the forecourt etc, let him mouth off for a bit then told him it was my car!!!
They soon changed their tune and whisked it off to get all the faults repaired, funny thing was they where fetching above asking price so the garage offered me a refund, told them to poke it and sold it privately for a tidy profit (I bought it tax free).
Vowed never to buy a Rover again though so poor build does have a lasting efect on return custom.
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They soon changed their tune and whisked it off to get all the faults repaired, funny thing was they where fetching above asking price so the garage offered me a refund, told them to poke it and sold it privately for a tidy profit (I bought it tax free).
Vowed never to buy a Rover again though so poor build does have a lasting efect on return custom.
>> Edited by tuffer on Saturday 22 March 10:06
MikeyT said: Really sorry to hear this Flasher, as I know how much you were looking forward to getting it and you, especially on here, are always trumpetting TVR as having got over the days of making sports cars that break down and are unreliable.
I know you enjoyed your Tamora a lot and to trade that one for this one, you must have been pretty sure you the reliabilty factor with the cars had been solved. And all the SP6 probs too.
I kow that all these things shold have been sorted at the factory, but surely what were your dealers doing on the PDI? Christ, they keep the car for long enough once the factory have delivered it!
I sincerely hope you manage to sort this out amicably wiith TMS and the factory Flash ...
Hell hath no fury like buying a shit TVR.
Preume Bennno's happy with his ... so far!
I am very happy with mine, its now done 1100 miles and i struggled to find anything other than a few minor bits for them to do at the 1,000 mile service.
It goes like a train, the engine sounds lovely and the build quality is not porsche perfect but better than i expected based on past experience.
Will try to pen a 1,000 mile story for ted.
Bennno
As they say
"He would say that wouldn't he"
Ben, mine has run faultlessly too, until the misfire yesterday. It could just be a dodgy spark plug. My point (which I keep having to reiterate) is that quality control (ie: before tha car leaves the factory) is still very poor.
The car itself is fabulous, the handling is like nothing I have ever driven (equal to the Noble M12 I drove last year) and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be on here telling everyone how fantastic it is for months to come.
The purpose of my thread here, is to wake certain people up to their responsibilites to thier customers and to shake up their inadequate Quality control.
I just want my car back, to enjoy the thing I work for five days a week and to have fun in the car I have spent £40K + on. That isn't too much to ask for is it?
"He would say that wouldn't he"
Ben, mine has run faultlessly too, until the misfire yesterday. It could just be a dodgy spark plug. My point (which I keep having to reiterate) is that quality control (ie: before tha car leaves the factory) is still very poor.
The car itself is fabulous, the handling is like nothing I have ever driven (equal to the Noble M12 I drove last year) and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be on here telling everyone how fantastic it is for months to come.
The purpose of my thread here, is to wake certain people up to their responsibilites to thier customers and to shake up their inadequate Quality control.
I just want my car back, to enjoy the thing I work for five days a week and to have fun in the car I have spent £40K + on. That isn't too much to ask for is it?
No i would tell as it is, and have been criticised in the past for doing so.
I had a couple of 911's last year becuase i got fed up with the probs on my last cerb. which i copped a fair amount of criticsm for mentioning on PH.
But so far really enjoying the t350, the noise it makes, the visual appeal, the way it rides and handles.
It seems about as well developed and built as the new griff i had back in 2000. I think the point would be that on any brand new TVR model (plus any brand new TVR) there is always a degree of fettling required. When you had your Tamora as an ex-demo i guess that pain had already been done by TMS.
Being realistic the builds not as good as a Porsche, the handlings not quite as sharp as my Elise and nothing will ever sound as good as a V12 ferrari, but for a 40k fun car its pretty close to about as good as it gets.
Bennno
Well the bad news is that it looks to have a broken cylinder head and something gone in the engine too. Back to either the factory or TVR power it seems.
I'm pretty sure that it will all be sorted and I'll get it back like new in a couple of weeks.
In the meantime TMS have been superb and are lending me a Tuscan until mine is sorted. I can tell the guys there are absolutley gutted not only for me but because they do actually care.
I've gone from anger to sadness this morning. Lets just hope it comes back soon and it lives up to it's promise of being my best TVR yet.
I'm pretty sure that it will all be sorted and I'll get it back like new in a couple of weeks.
In the meantime TMS have been superb and are lending me a Tuscan until mine is sorted. I can tell the guys there are absolutley gutted not only for me but because they do actually care.
I've gone from anger to sadness this morning. Lets just hope it comes back soon and it lives up to it's promise of being my best TVR yet.
Sorry to hear this flasher. After following nibbin's Tamora into PH5, I was almost tempted to cancel my production sportscar that is set to arrive on 1st June, and bite the bullit.
Thing is, I only want to run one car (even work driving is across the penines etc), and I still wouldn't trust Blackpool's finest as a daily driver. Very sad as I would love to be at the front of the que when the amalgamate the T350 and the Tamora (Roof off with nice back end), but I can't see it happening.
Come on TVR, look at all of the Boxter S customers that could have come your way.
Rich
Thing is, I only want to run one car (even work driving is across the penines etc), and I still wouldn't trust Blackpool's finest as a daily driver. Very sad as I would love to be at the front of the que when the amalgamate the T350 and the Tamora (Roof off with nice back end), but I can't see it happening.
Come on TVR, look at all of the Boxter S customers that could have come your way.
Rich
daydreamer said:
Come on TVR, look at all of the Boxter S customers that could have come your way.
Rich
It's so strange to read reviews in the Brookland books of Wedge 350s, and move on twenty years, and still hear about the exact same issue..great car..if only...
Sorry to hear the car's been a pain, Flasher, though I would consider selling my grandmother, if I had one, for "even" a Tuscan, especially if I could do a few track days on someone elses brakes...
daydreamer, not sure about TVR's appeal to the Boxter S crowd. I had a 911, and whilst that felt raw and hairy when I first learnt to drive it, compared to the wife's Griff 500 it's docile and, well, safe. The appeal of TVR's is that they are NOT cuddly. There's a need for that too.
flasher said: Well the bad news is that it looks to have a broken cylinder head and something gone in the engine too. Back to either the factory or TVR power it seems.
I'm pretty sure that it will all be sorted and I'll get it back like new in a couple of weeks.
In the meantime TMS have been superb and are lending me a Tuscan until mine is sorted. I can tell the guys there are absolutley gutted not only for me but because they do actually care.
I've gone from anger to sadness this morning. Lets just hope it comes back soon and it lives up to it's promise of being my best TVR yet.
I am very sorry to hear this!
Seems odd that you run it in, then it has its first service which includes a load of adjustment to the valves etc - then it has a problem with them / the head on the way home???
Its good of them to lend you a car mind - fingers crossed its not too serious and you get it back soon.
Its a bstd that youve just finished running it in, have to do it all again now!
Bennno
flasher said: Well the bad news is that it looks to have a broken cylinder head and something gone in the engine too. Back to either the factory or TVR power it seems.
I'm pretty sure that it will all be sorted and I'll get it back like new in a couple of weeks.
In the meantime TMS have been superb and are lending me a Tuscan until mine is sorted. I can tell the guys there are absolutley gutted not only for me but because they do actually care.
I've gone from anger to sadness this morning. Lets just hope it comes back soon and it lives up to it's promise of being my best TVR yet.
Really sorry to hear that flasher.
Sorry about the problem's your having Flasher i know how you feel, btw did i pass you earlier to day? your Volvo your in FM02 UUG or some thing like that in, you couldn't of missed me on the back of a bright yellow AA truck.
One piece of advise, some thing that i did not take and i do regret it to this day.
Reject your car, i know everyone is being nice to you at the moment, and you don't want to give up a fantastic car, same thing happened to me i bought mine from Kings, warwick, and i was told to reject it but because i had been promised that other TVR's have suffered from this problem early on and get fixed and don't ever suffer again. That is bollocks, believe me if you keep it you'll end up like me, i'm scared shitless to drive the thing incase the thing blows up, it's now back to blackpool for the 3rd time, i'm currently parked right next to yours at TMS, you've been lucky getting a car sorted out, they told me i can keep the Volvo up to Tuesday, then i have to source my own transport, that attitude stinks, i'm letting myself be heard now on PH, because i didn't want TVR getting a bad reputation into an even worse one, but stuff it, they don't give a shit about me, so why so should i care about them, silence is only going to suffer people in the future like our self's, rather than fix the problem!
One piece of advise, some thing that i did not take and i do regret it to this day.
Reject your car, i know everyone is being nice to you at the moment, and you don't want to give up a fantastic car, same thing happened to me i bought mine from Kings, warwick, and i was told to reject it but because i had been promised that other TVR's have suffered from this problem early on and get fixed and don't ever suffer again. That is bollocks, believe me if you keep it you'll end up like me, i'm scared shitless to drive the thing incase the thing blows up, it's now back to blackpool for the 3rd time, i'm currently parked right next to yours at TMS, you've been lucky getting a car sorted out, they told me i can keep the Volvo up to Tuesday, then i have to source my own transport, that attitude stinks, i'm letting myself be heard now on PH, because i didn't want TVR getting a bad reputation into an even worse one, but stuff it, they don't give a shit about me, so why so should i care about them, silence is only going to suffer people in the future like our self's, rather than fix the problem!
Mate, this is a bloody depressing story and I feel really sorry for you. It seems outrageous that the QC guys could overlook such basic things. I get fed up when little things go wrong on the Griff that just wouldn't happen on my Nissan - I think you just hit a point when you say "no more!". I'm not anywhere near that point yet - hope you're not either.....
Not entirely sure that I agree Tam. My last shopping list was Boxter S, Honda S2000 with Tamora on the side. I needed an every day car, but it really didn't have to be cuddly. TVR quickly crossed off for reliability, no other reason. Boxter went for the image (didn't want to piss off staff or clients), so left with the Honda (no bad thing really, believe me
Tam Lin said:daydreamer, not sure about TVR's appeal to the Boxter S crowd. I had a 911, and whilst that felt raw and hairy when I first learnt to drive it, compared to the wife's Griff 500 it's docile and, well, safe. The appeal of TVR's is that they are NOT cuddly. There's a need for that too.
when I finally take delivery 
). I thought that I was being a bit irrational, but it appears that TVR variety is becoming a feature. Such a shame. I'm sure that there are a lot of people like me out here that have no problem with an extreme car, as long as it has a bit of a boot and keeps you dry when it rains. If any of the German or Japanese companies made a Tamora that works, I'd have one tomorrow - Because it is a bit extreme, it gives an enthusiast image, rather than the too much cash image of the Boxter. Perfect.
As always, all IMVHO of course
.Flasher - I take your point, it is a QC problem at TVR but I still think that the dealers owe it to their customers to push back on the people at Blackpool. They shouldn't sell cars on that don't meet the standard. As long as they turn a blind eye during the PDI their customers will have problems and/or dissatisfaction and in the long run they are letting TVR off the hook and losing their customers' loyalty.
Hutch
Hutch
daydreamer said:Not entirely sure that I agree Tam. My last shopping list was Boxter S, Honda S2000 with Tamora on the side. I needed an every day car, but it really didn't have to be cuddly. TVR quickly crossed off for reliability, no other reason. Boxter went for the image (didn't want to piss off staff or clients), so left with the Honda (no bad thing really, believe me
Tam Lin said:daydreamer, not sure about TVR's appeal to the Boxter S crowd. I had a 911, and whilst that felt raw and hairy when I first learnt to drive it, compared to the wife's Griff 500 it's docile and, well, safe. The appeal of TVR's is that they are NOT cuddly. There's a need for that too.
I thought that I was being a bit irrational, but it appears that TVR variety is becoming a feature. Such a shame. I'm sure that there are a lot of people like me out here that have no problem with an extreme car, as long as it has a bit of a boot and keeps you dry when it rains. If any of the German or Japanese companies made a Tamora that works, I'd have one tomorrow - Because it is a bit extreme, it gives an enthusiast image, rather than the too much cash image of the Boxter. Perfect.
As always, all IMVHO of course
I bought an S2000 for similar reasons...
I still want a TVR, and was thinking last week that there had been fewer posts lately about reliability, until this one and another on the SP6. Its a real shame, £40K is a lot of cash for a car with this amount of problems...
Buy a 911. Not only do they piss on TVRs in build quality, reliability and resale,
..on the track, even with the much higher power to weight ratios TVRS have, 911s are quicker.
Ive done loads of Track days (100+) in 911s, (993 now 996 standard carrera) and quite honestly say that either most TVR drivers are shite( which I doubt) or the cars are just not that quick on circuits.
Plus the amount that end up dying a death after half a day is shocking.
..on the track, even with the much higher power to weight ratios TVRS have, 911s are quicker.
Ive done loads of Track days (100+) in 911s, (993 now 996 standard carrera) and quite honestly say that either most TVR drivers are shite( which I doubt) or the cars are just not that quick on circuits.
Plus the amount that end up dying a death after half a day is shocking.
[jealous] Just think of the great deed your doing for someone like me who can upgrade to one in 5 years and it will have all the major niggles sorted out.
If it wasn't for the patience and loyalty to TVR that you and your kind have flasher, then I probably wouldn't be driving round in a relativly trouble free old Chimaera now! [/jealous]
On a serious note though, sorry to hear about the hassle your having with it. Nobody should expect it from a brand new 40 grand car. I'd be camping outside the factory by now demanding it be sorted, waving banners about.
If it wasn't for the patience and loyalty to TVR that you and your kind have flasher, then I probably wouldn't be driving round in a relativly trouble free old Chimaera now! [/jealous]
On a serious note though, sorry to hear about the hassle your having with it. Nobody should expect it from a brand new 40 grand car. I'd be camping outside the factory by now demanding it be sorted, waving banners about.Gassing Station | Tamora, T350 & Sagaris | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff