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I assume the construction would be to join the front and rear roll hoops rigidly front to back in the centre and then build this "bracing-bar" into the centre section of the roof's "T" bar with panels dropping in either side of say a 4" section of roof? Rich...
flasher said:Eh? How does a T-bar solve it then? The car will lose it's ridgidity completeley and it totally defeats the object.
True, but better than nothing - which is what I've got on my Griffith. Off for a blast and a pub lunch now I think!
bennno said:
that would be a smokey and the bandit camaro type solution.
the cage would then not offer significant resistance to chassis twist as per a full cage
Bennno
Rich...
RichB said:I assume the construction would be to join the front and rear roll hoops rigidly front to back in the centre and then build this "bracing-bar" into the centre section of the roof's "T" bar with panels dropping in either side of say a 4" section of roof? Rich...
flasher said:Eh? How does a T-bar solve it then? The car will lose it's ridgidity completeley and it totally defeats the object.
That's the thinking Rich. Stiffness is not affected. As for buffetting...why should it be any different to the Tuscan..?
I understand there could be at least as many orders now for the T as for the C. Factor that into the equation and it sort of negates the careless talk from the factory that started this thread. Whilst TVR are individualistic with regard to the way the business develops, to disappoint so many people at this late stage would seem somewhat counter-productive.
flasher said:
apex said: Any chance of Flasher and 999 being signed up by the BBC for a Celebrity Fight Night Special!!!
I'm up for it. Just wear a vest with TVR logos because the way I feel right now I'll hit harder then Lennox Lewis......
I refrained from commenting on your thread about the handbrake, so I guess we'll leave it up to others to see who can and can't be mature on these forums.
But this comment just about sums it up. Have you run out of wit?
Erm, wasn't Bandit's car a Trans-Am...? Anyways, I'd like to see the rollcage kept but where it would be visible without a roof perhaps made out of something else that looked nice (polished metal perhaps)to make them a feature of the car.
bennno said:
that would be a smokey and the bandit camaro type solution.
the cage would then not offer significant resistance to chassis twist as per a full cage
Bennno
**999** said:
flasher said:
apex said: Any chance of Flasher and 999 being signed up by the BBC for a Celebrity Fight Night Special!!!
I'm up for it. Just wear a vest with TVR logos because the way I feel right now I'll hit harder then Lennox Lewis......
I refrained from commenting on your thread about the handbrake, so I guess we'll leave it up to others to see who can and can't be mature on these forums.
But this comment just about sums it up. Have you run out of wit?
If you had taken the time to extricate your head from your own arse for five minutes to read my threads you would realise that I am far from happy with what has happened to my car in the last few weeks.
Are you suggesting that my car rolling down the drive and getting damaged is down to maturity? Or do you just think it's funny that my engine now appears to have lunched on some debris and possibly requires a rebuild?
Your total lack of sympathy and understanding reflects completely the tone of your somewhat self-effacing posts.
If anyone does want us to fight for charity I'm more than willing. However, I assumed it was a joke and treated it as such......
Lets forget all this hyperthetical in house fighting - flasher went for a 350c cause he couldnt wait - good on him and I hope you get your car back soon
I saw at at PH5 and it was jaw droppingly gorgeous!
Others want a 350T whihc may have to have a vent, a t-bar, more roll cage - whatever just do a 350 with fresh air - please PW
This is what we want the Tamora replacement?
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=2&f=7&t=27204&h=0
I love it and want its children
>> Edited by gemini on Tuesday 25th March 17:31
I saw at at PH5 and it was jaw droppingly gorgeous!
Others want a 350T whihc may have to have a vent, a t-bar, more roll cage - whatever just do a 350 with fresh air - please PW
This is what we want the Tamora replacement?
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=2&f=7&t=27204&h=0
I love it and want its children
>> Edited by gemini on Tuesday 25th March 17:31
Spoke to my dealer today, who had spoken to the factory this morning. They were saying that realistically July/August is when they expect the first customer T350T's to be rolling out to the dealers.
At the end of the day, if the final version is different from that of the coupe, I'm sure that it will still be a stunning looking car, and am happy to wait and see what they come up with.
Meantime, still have the Tamora to take the roof off to get that fresh air fix
At the end of the day, if the final version is different from that of the coupe, I'm sure that it will still be a stunning looking car, and am happy to wait and see what they come up with.
Meantime, still have the Tamora to take the roof off to get that fresh air fix
Ok, just to offer an update on the T350T.
The roof area is the only part which will change compared to the T350c. The roll cage is going to be untouched and will remain as is. Both roll bars along the top of the doors are set to stay. Basically what you will have is two rectangular 'sun roof' areas running from the front windscreen to the rear roll cage bar in front of the rear window.
In the middle is a 'strip' of roof running from front (where it forms a 'T'shape) to rear with the rear forming a back to back 'J' shape as opposed to a 'T' shape, just to add a little curvyness if you get my drift!
This centre strip will most likely have a strengthener in it too. Both panels simply clip in and out and can be put in the 'boot' area when not in place.
Each roof panel has a slight curve/bump in it, so there will be two raised areas in the roof line as you look at the car. This gives an increase in head height of about an inch for the taller people out there too!
Before you ask me how I know this - I talked to PW at a track day last week. I also have it on good authority (not PW) that the car looks fantastic, even in it's prototype form.
The car is definately set for production too.
Of course that is not to say TVR won't change things over the next couple of months!
I also mentioned the 'mock up' T350c 'convertable' picture posted elsewhere on here and asked him when they will make one! His answer was a typically cryptic "Ah, but where would you put the roof?" Take from that what you will!!
>> Edited by T350 Guy on Wednesday 26th March 14:58
The roof area is the only part which will change compared to the T350c. The roll cage is going to be untouched and will remain as is. Both roll bars along the top of the doors are set to stay. Basically what you will have is two rectangular 'sun roof' areas running from the front windscreen to the rear roll cage bar in front of the rear window.
In the middle is a 'strip' of roof running from front (where it forms a 'T'shape) to rear with the rear forming a back to back 'J' shape as opposed to a 'T' shape, just to add a little curvyness if you get my drift!
This centre strip will most likely have a strengthener in it too. Both panels simply clip in and out and can be put in the 'boot' area when not in place.
Each roof panel has a slight curve/bump in it, so there will be two raised areas in the roof line as you look at the car. This gives an increase in head height of about an inch for the taller people out there too!
Before you ask me how I know this - I talked to PW at a track day last week. I also have it on good authority (not PW) that the car looks fantastic, even in it's prototype form.
The car is definately set for production too.
Of course that is not to say TVR won't change things over the next couple of months!
I also mentioned the 'mock up' T350c 'convertable' picture posted elsewhere on here and asked him when they will make one! His answer was a typically cryptic "Ah, but where would you put the roof?" Take from that what you will!!
>> Edited by T350 Guy on Wednesday 26th March 14:58
T350 Guy said:
I also mentioned the 'mock up' T350c 'convertable' picture posted elsewhere on here and asked him when they will make one! His answer was a typically cryptic "Ah, but where would you put the roof?" Take from that what you will!!
If TVR announced a facelifted Tamora (ie a T350 convertible) I would honestly put my deposit down tomorrow.
I'm just hoping they see the light and do it!
T350 Guy said: Ok, just to offer an update on the T350T.
Basically what you will have is two rectangular 'sun roof' areas running from the front windscreen to the rear roll cage bar in front of the rear window.
Each roof panel has a slight curve/bump in it, so there will be two raised areas in the roof line as you look at the car. This gives an increase in head height of about an inch for the taller people out there too!
Um de ja vu? 3rd March 2003
Gemini writes :HHC seem to think the roof may have an air scoop and be shaped with two ripples like the bonnet - giving even more head room.
Ah satisfaction
**999** said:
RichB said:I assume the construction would be to join the front and rear roll hoops rigidly front to back in the centre and then build this "bracing-bar" into the centre section of the roof's "T" bar with panels dropping in either side of say a 4" section of roof? Rich...
flasher said:Eh? How does a T-bar solve it then? The car will lose it's ridgidity completeley and it totally defeats the object.
That's the thinking Rich. Stiffness is not affected. As for buffetting...why should it be any different to the Tuscan..?
I understand there could be at least as many orders now for the T as for the C. Factor that into the equation and it sort of negates the careless talk from the factory that started this thread. Whilst TVR are individualistic with regard to the way the business develops, to disappoint so many people at this late stage would seem somewhat counter-productive.
Right, a few answers to some of the points raised here.
I have been driving the Tuscan for almost a week now and I can tell you that the buffetting with the centre section of the roof out (and the rear screen left in) is awful and quite disturbing once you go over *0 mph.
With the screen out, it's better, but you are not going to be able to do that on a T350T, even if you removed the tailgate I just don't see how they can do it. I do have it on good information that they are trying very hard to overcome this without ruining the looks of the car.
My main concern, however wouldn't be the buffetting so much as the fact that they will have to do something different with the rollcage. No one can deny that removing the bars directly over the windows and placing them in the middle of the car will hugely effect the rigidity of the car.
Just to reiterate, I wanted to use my T350 on as many trackdays as possible, and that's why I wanted the Coupe version, however long it took to sort the Targa out is irrelevant to me, I never wanted one. For those guys that have ordered one I really hope you get your cars as soon as possible, It's just that in my experience with TVR I don't think they will be working on this project endlessly without finding a solution, so sooner or later they will either go with what they have or drop it all together! I also think it's likely that they will eventually redesign the Tamora to look like a T350. Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong.
>> Edited by flasher on Thursday 27th March 10:12
I'm with flasher on this one - I think the Tamora will be replaced with a convertible, based on the T350 - TVR is a business after all and if their cars aren't selling, PW won't be able to buy any more of Lancashire to shoot at things! Preferably Lancastrians!
>> Edited by nubbin on Thursday 27th March 10:45
>> Edited by nubbin on Thursday 27th March 10:45
T350 Guy seems to be suggesting that the bars will remain above the windows, hence not affecting the rigidity.
flasher said: No one can deny that removing the bars directly over the windows and placing them in the middle of the car will hugely effect the rigidity of the car.
P.S. You have my deepest sympathy for your various T350 problems...
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