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CraigAlsop said:T350 Guy seems to be suggesting that the bars will remain above the windows, hence not affecting the rigidity.
flasher said: No one can deny that removing the bars directly over the windows and placing them in the middle of the car will hugely effect the rigidity of the car.
P.S. You have my deepest sympathy for your various T350 problems...
Absolutely agree, that's what others have been saying all along. T-bar, no removal of the bars above the window - that's what a T-bar is.
Buffeting in any open top is a problem anyway, just to what degree. You want to travel at *0 MPH with the roof off, then that's what you get. Was the same with V8s (and all other S-bodied rag tops, Griffiths and Chimeras. Not driven the Tamora with the roof down but guess it would be the same too.
So what's the problem?
Go and have a proper look at any conventional T-Bar type car like the ones below:
You can see quite clearly that the bars above the doors on the T350 would have to be removed if it were to be a proper T-bar.
Show me a T-Bar that doesn't look like the ones above......
instead of coming out with utter bollocks like this
>> Edited by flasher on Thursday 27th March 14:46
You can see quite clearly that the bars above the doors on the T350 would have to be removed if it were to be a proper T-bar.
Show me a T-Bar that doesn't look like the ones above......
instead of coming out with utter bollocks like this
T-bar, no removal of the bars above the window - that's what a T-bar is
>> Edited by flasher on Thursday 27th March 14:46
**999** said:
Buffeting in any open top is a problem anyway, just to what degree.
Nonsense, I've owned four convertibles so far and never had a buffetting problem with any of them.
I didn't want to quote my speed actually but at 80mph in the Tuscan the buffetting is unbelievable, if you leave the rear screen in. That's a fact, I've been driving a Tuscan all week so I should know.
You want to travel at *0 MPH with the roof off, then that's what you get.
Was the same with V8s (and all other S-bodied rag tops, Griffiths and Chimeras. Not driven the Tamora with the roof down but guess it would be the same too.
Well, I have driven the Tamora and the buffetting wasn't a problem even with the rear section of the hood up. It was the same with the Griff I owned.
So what's the problem?
You, not listening as usual,and your condescending ignorant posts ,that's what the problem is....
raceboy said: If you leave the bars over the doors, it's just a big 2 piece lift-out sunroof
Exactly!!
look at this picture....
Also the front roll bar, above the windscreen, is so far back that the lift out panels will have to be pretty small to make it work without altering the roll cage and thus weakening the car.... as I said before look at the pics of the MR2 T-BAR....and someone please tell me that for it be a proper T-Bar you won't have to alter the cage....if they leave it as it is, it's basically £2000 extra for what is little more than a sunroof....
Its a coupe!!!! Just leave it as it is if you want a soft top then buy a Tamora. The T350C is absolutely gorgeous as it is if you start hacksawing it about it will end up a dogs dinner. If they want to update the Tamora then stick the T350 nose on it and be done with it. 
Im just p155y because yet again my numbers failed to come up on Wednesday even though I went to Racing Green on Tuesday looking for devine inspiration (used the chassis numbers off the demo!!!)
Im just p155y because yet again my numbers failed to come up on Wednesday even though I went to Racing Green on Tuesday looking for devine inspiration (used the chassis numbers off the demo!!!) 
raceboy said:If you leave the bars over the doors, it's just a big 2 piece lift-out sunroof
That's a good idea.
We would then be getting a T350C with the "sunroof" option. So TVR may not introduce any T350T and preserve the Tamora which IMO sounds a more sensible way to go.
edited: you've been quicker than me raceboy
>> Edited by Thom on Thursday 27th March 15:32
I don't ever recall TVR saying their intention was to make a T350 'T' top car. Where did that come from?
As usual these threads have gone off on a tangent.
What is being made in the T350T could best be described as merely a 'double removable sunroof'. The current T350c roll cage WILL NOT be altered, in fact a central strengthener will probably be added to stop the middle strip from flexing. So that is more added strength not less. It is simply two rectangular sections that lift out of the top. Think of it as an 'M' top.....
As for any resulting buffetting - I don't know.
Also who ordered the T350 in Chameleon Orange and the Nebula Blue Tamora? I have a couple of pics for you........
As usual these threads have gone off on a tangent.
What is being made in the T350T could best be described as merely a 'double removable sunroof'. The current T350c roll cage WILL NOT be altered, in fact a central strengthener will probably be added to stop the middle strip from flexing. So that is more added strength not less. It is simply two rectangular sections that lift out of the top. Think of it as an 'M' top.....
As for any resulting buffetting - I don't know.
Also who ordered the T350 in Chameleon Orange and the Nebula Blue Tamora? I have a couple of pics for you........
flasher said:
**999** said:
Buffeting in any open top is a problem anyway, just to what degree.
Nonsense, I've owned four convertibles so far and never had a buffetting problem with any of them.
I didn't want to quote my speed actually but at 80mph in the Tuscan the buffetting is unbelievable, if you leave the rear screen in. That's a fact, I've been driving a Tuscan all week so I should know.
You want to travel at *0 MPH with the roof off, then that's what you get.
Was the same with V8s (and all other S-bodied rag tops, Griffiths and Chimeras. Not driven the Tamora with the roof down but guess it would be the same too.
Well, I have driven the Tamora and the buffetting wasn't a problem even with the rear section of the hood up. It was the same with the Griff I owned.
So what's the problem?
You, not listening as usual,and your condescending ignorant posts ,that's what the problem is....
Instead of resorting to personal insults again why don't you speak to someone at the factory other than the temporary cleaner you appear to be getting your 'hot' information from.
You are the one not listening. Your aggressive and uninformed posts in this topic are the laughing stock of quite a few dealers out there... check them out!!
Although your pretty pictures show 2 t-bars with nothing above the doors there are several others out there WITH framework above the doors. Spend some time doing research (clue - look further than the Japanese market
Buffeting in an open top car is a problem, only the degree of buffeting between models changes. So the Tamora/V8s/Griffith/911 Cabrio/Merc 350SEL etc etc all have buffeting issues as the air passing over the windscreen is at higher pressure than that in the cabin. It therefore rushes in to equalise the pressure and creates buffeting. It's a fact 'nature abhores a vacuum'..... Some manufacturers address this with 'screens' of various types behind the front seats, which effectively slow the flow of air as it drops into the cabin. Whether the vehicle has a roof that completely folds flat or forms a T-bar with removable panels does not alter the fact that the basic design will be subject to the buffeting process, it only alters the amount of buffeting. So your both right and wrong, but travelling at 80 in any open top will result in buffering.
Now if you're not interested in buying a T350T then do those that intend buying one a favour and run along, I'm sure you've got something better to do.
Instead of resorting to personal insults again why don't you speak to someone at the factory other than the temporary cleaner you appear to be getting your 'hot' information from.
You are the one not listening. Your aggressive and uninformed posts in this topic are the laughing stock of quite a few dealers out there... check them out!!
Although your pretty pictures show 2 t-bars with nothing above the doors there are several others out there WITH framework above the doors. Spend some time doing research (clue - look further than the Japanese market
Buffeting in an open top car is a problem, only the degree of buffeting between models changes. So the Tamora/V8s/Griffith/911 Cabrio/Merc 350SEL etc etc all have buffeting issues as the air passing over the windscreen is at higher pressure than that in the cabin. It therefore rushes in to equalise the pressure and creates buffeting. It's a fact 'nature abhores a vacuum'..... Some manufacturers address this with 'screens' of various types behind the front seats, which effectively slow the flow of air as it drops into the cabin. Whether the vehicle has a roof that completely folds flat or forms a T-bar with removable panels does not alter the fact that the basic design will be subject to the buffeting process, it only alters the amount of buffeting. So your both right and wrong, but travelling at 80 in any open top will result in buffering.
Now if you're not interested in buying a T350T then do those that intend buying one a favour and run along, I'm sure you've got something better to do.
999 to demonstrate that you arent spouting total rubbish, why not suggest a single T bar roofed car with bars above the doors as per your post???
Just in case you struggle the T bar element relates to a single central bar and lift out panels either side.
The buffeting situation is being misunderstood by yourself, some targa roof cars almost start to drum, whilst convertables do not.
Perhaps you should cut the personal insults as well?
Bennno
tekbloke said: Is it just me, or does every thread with 999 contributing end up with 'handbags at dawn'???
Hmmmm, why do I read these forums again,...oh yeah to share views/experiences/opinions with similarly afflicted PH'ers. Please check your 'anal retention' in at the door,...
exactly. Thank-you.
I'll answer your points without insult although it is rather hard when you continue to post in the most arrogant and condescending " I am right and you are wrong" manner.
Firstly I have several contacts at TVR. Anyone with any limit of intelligence could see that when I have either owned or driven almost every type of TVR thats been built. I have written articles in Sprint magazine about how I re-built my wedge, and I had help and advice from the factory while doing it.
I have been round the factory at least 10 times now and the last time I went several people came and said hello to me and I had lunch with one of the senior people there. I did the drivers parade at Le Mans last year amongst many things in my Tamora.
For some reason you seem to think that I am in some way criticising TVR over the T350T. I'm not. Part of the reason for me saying what I have is to warn you that you may be waiting a lot longer then you think. I hope that if and when the T350T comes out that it is beautiful, quality and a roaring success. My posts about the booming roof in the Tuscan are to highlight why it's taking so long for TVR to sort this out.
You still haven't come up with a single example of a Targa topped car that has roll bars above the doors....
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