Hmmm Interesting... T350T
Discussion
Tivster said: Nubbin...why edit 999's post ?
If you didn't like it bin it, but to alter it is overstepping the mark IMO.
However back to the point - the small issue I had with Mark_BT52's post was the way he referred to the T's roof as a compromise and the T overall as an unneccessary addition to the range. Surely that is an opinion that can and should be challenged....It certainly wasn't supported by any explanation or evidence to support those comments
Christof's comments and those from Rods should really be the information that is talked about, cos that's what I for one would like to see.
However when someone appears from no-where and posts an easily misconstrued comment that could (did) get a reaction from someone else that's clearly fed up with the attitude of some on these forums then IMO
overzealous moderators actually worsen and prolong the problems..... no names no pack drill
Nubbin edit this if you must, but you'll only prove my point
Tivster
Has this bit been deleted? (Nubbin says - Not my me
) >> Edited by nubbin (moderator) on Thursday 12th June 21:54
feck me! why does this bloody car make everyone behave like schoolkids, 
piggin speak to each other as you would like to be spoken to yourself.......please 
.
I thought the reason for the 350 was to build a track/road car, good aero and rigid chassis with cage, isn't it intended to supercede the Tuscan Racers?
To make it a convertable would mean binning the top half of the chassis which is the cage so putting in a removable panel is as good as it's gonna get.
piggin speak to each other as you would like to be spoken to yourself.......please . I thought the reason for the 350 was to build a track/road car, good aero and rigid chassis with cage, isn't it intended to supercede the Tuscan Racers?
To make it a convertable would mean binning the top half of the chassis which is the cage so putting in a removable panel is as good as it's gonna get.
apache said: feck me! why does this bloody car make everyone behave like schoolkids,
I thought the reason for the 350 was to build a track/road car, good aero and rigid chassis with cage, isn't it intended to supercede the Tuscan Racers?
To make it a convertable would mean binning the top half of the chassis which is the cage so putting in a removable panel is as good as it's gonna get.
A man that can see wood thru trees...!! Cheers Apache and well said.
Tivster
Tivster said: Nubbin...why edit 999's post ?
If you didn't like it bin it, but to alter it is overstepping the mark IMO.
However back to the point - the small issue I had with Mark_BT52's post was the way he referred to the T's roof as a compromise and the T overall as an unneccessary addition to the range. Surely that is an opinion that can and should be challenged....It certainly wasn't supported by any explanation or evidence to support those comments
Christof's comments and those from Rods should really be the information that is talked about, cos that's what I for one would like to see.
However when someone appears from no-where and posts an easily misconstrued comment that could (did) get a reaction from someone else that's clearly fed up with the attitude of some on these forums then IMO
overzealous moderators actually worsen and prolong the problems..... no names no pack drill
Nubbin edit this if you must, but you'll only prove my point
Tivster
Tivster, I edited it because I thought it was O.K., but I put my own comments in. I didn't remove any of the text. Like I said earlier, you are all making valid points, but you are also not listening to each other, and getting all hot and bothered. Because you'd all read it it seemed pointless to delete it, when it had already been quoted.
I put my own comments in to show that the original points made could be viewed in two ways - one challenging and rude, the other valid and probing, and I wanted to give everyone the chance to see both sides. In other words I was trying to moderate the forum, a word which can also have several meanings....
(I've now put my comments in bold type...) but, like I said, can everyone just chill out?
999 - if you think you have some special secret information about the T350t, why don't you just share it? There are lots of people who know snippets of stuff emanating from the factory, and a lot of it is bullshit - even I know stuff about the t's development, that I learnt 3-4 months ago, and is all coming to pass exactly as I was told (by John Ravenscroft, and Damien McTaggart).
I hope this makes my actions a little clearer.
>> Edited by nubbin (moderator) on Thursday 12th June 21:55
vodkakid said: link anyone??????? please
since you asked the second time
www.fotango.com/cgi-bin/public_gallery_item.cgi?id=285701&index=0&key=
Link originally posted by Nicksey here.
nubbin said: 999 - if you think you have some special secret information about the T350t, why don't you just share it? There are lots of people who know snippets of stuff emanating from the factory, and a lot of it is bullshit - even I know stuff about the t's development, that I learnt 3-4 months ago, and is all coming to pass exactly as I was told (by John Ravenscroft, and Damien McTaggart).
I hope this makes my actions a little clearer.
>> Edited by nubbin (moderator) on Thursday 12th June 21:55
Well funny enough it doesn't - and furthermore the secret information to which you're referring was development and build dates which funny enough are true, correct, spot on etc...
Your comments Nubbin, along with several others, just demonstrate how intolerant you are in relation to views that differ from your 'little group' - and you know to whom I refer dont you
Well the comment from Mark_b52 or whoever was pretty pointless really and yes it got my goat.... but then what happens ... I respond and get haranged cos what I said was short and succinct... be economic on words, why say a dozen when three will do...? Is it trendy in Pistonheads to pick on someone via a forum like this? Or is it that there's a clique of old boys, who resist dissent...
And finally I'd like to thank the the new guy for finally reading my posts and knowing from whence they came...at least he takes comments in the context in which they were made and doesn't misquote like your little group ...eh Nubbin ?
Boy am I looking forward to my earlier promise of parking my T right between the cheeks of all those that said it wouldn't and couldn't be built.
Now delete this ..... cheers
>> Edited by **999** on Thursday 12th June 23:13
999, WTF are you talking about? Can't you read what I've written, or are you just thick?
Flasher takes care of himself - I don't have a little "group" from which you have to feel you are excluded.
If you would care to take the trouble to actually read what I've written, I think you'll find that it was even-handed, with no reference to you, nor anyone else. The comments I've made on your previous post, were actually in your defence, to avoid people having a go at you, because I could see the valid points you weer trying to make. I was trying to defuse any arguments.
So now you come on, and start having a go at me. Why? Are you just trolling, or are you seriously paranoid?
Grow up, and have meaningful, friendly discussions, be courteous and respectful, and you'll get it in return.
I won't delete your previous post, because it makes you sound foolish and paranoid.
Flasher takes care of himself - I don't have a little "group" from which you have to feel you are excluded.
If you would care to take the trouble to actually read what I've written, I think you'll find that it was even-handed, with no reference to you, nor anyone else. The comments I've made on your previous post, were actually in your defence, to avoid people having a go at you, because I could see the valid points you weer trying to make. I was trying to defuse any arguments.
So now you come on, and start having a go at me. Why? Are you just trolling, or are you seriously paranoid?
Grow up, and have meaningful, friendly discussions, be courteous and respectful, and you'll get it in return.
I won't delete your previous post, because it makes you sound foolish and paranoid.
Jeez!! Apologies for speaking my mind and not submitting it to the 999 thought police first!!!
Ok why do I think the targa will be pointless?
Take the chassis plus the engine and gearbox:
a) You want a fixed head coupe - take the T350
b) You want a convertable - take the Tamora
c) You want a removeable hardtop - take the Tuscan
THATS why I think it is a pretty pointless excersise.
All these 3 cars are basically the same, so to do various versions of each one seems pointless because they already exist...
It's like saying "I wish they did an Exige with a removeable roof".
Ok why do I think the targa will be pointless?
Take the chassis plus the engine and gearbox:
a) You want a fixed head coupe - take the T350
b) You want a convertable - take the Tamora
c) You want a removeable hardtop - take the Tuscan
THATS why I think it is a pretty pointless excersise.
All these 3 cars are basically the same, so to do various versions of each one seems pointless because they already exist...
It's like saying "I wish they did an Exige with a removeable roof".
Mark_BT52 said: Jeez!! Apologies for speaking my mind and not submitting it to the 999 thought police first!!!
Ok why do I think the targa will be pointless?
Take the chassis plus the engine and gearbox:
a) You want a fixed head coupe - take the T350
b) You want a convertable - take the Tamora
c) You want a removeable hardtop - take the Tuscan
THATS why I think it is a pretty pointless excersise.
All these 3 cars are basically the same, so to do various versions of each one seems pointless because they already exist...
It's like saying "I wish they did an Exige with a removeable roof".
I want a two seater sportscar with sexy flowing body, great big engine and gorgeous noise outta back, now the TVR model line points me clearly in the direction of the S/Griffith/Chimaera/Tamora/T350C/Tuscan/TuscanS
hmmmmmmmmm.................... but saying that i could go for the Cerb as well TVR's model line doesn't follow sense, and all the better for it.
***999*** I have to exercise the ultimate tolerance here as I don't want to lose any readers unless absolutely necessary.
However, your behaviour on here is really pushing my me to the limit. The key to enjoying the Gassing Station is to show some respect to other members whether you disagree with them or not.
You might disagree with them and we often have heated debates but you seen unable to do so without turning every thread you touch into a fireball.
Nubbin is only trying to maintain a balance here - and doesn't get much thanks for it. You obviously don't understand what it takes to exist as a member of a diverse community such as this.
You've had plenty of time to soak it up now and work out what's what around here but you seem intent on adopting your role as T350T prima-donna. I've got to the point where I don't care about the facts - debates about forthcoming TVRs have always been immense fun on here except with the 350T.
Everyone can pile in with accusations of 'old guard', 'moderators closing ranks' and all that old shite but as someone once said - this is my trainset and I'll do with it as I will. Either show some respect for other members in your responses or leave us in peace.
If you continue in your current tone, I'm just going to ban you as it's now reflecting badly on PH that no one is able to talk about the 350T without you getting all high and mighty.
However, your behaviour on here is really pushing my me to the limit. The key to enjoying the Gassing Station is to show some respect to other members whether you disagree with them or not.
You might disagree with them and we often have heated debates but you seen unable to do so without turning every thread you touch into a fireball.
Nubbin is only trying to maintain a balance here - and doesn't get much thanks for it. You obviously don't understand what it takes to exist as a member of a diverse community such as this.
You've had plenty of time to soak it up now and work out what's what around here but you seem intent on adopting your role as T350T prima-donna. I've got to the point where I don't care about the facts - debates about forthcoming TVRs have always been immense fun on here except with the 350T.
Everyone can pile in with accusations of 'old guard', 'moderators closing ranks' and all that old shite but as someone once said - this is my trainset and I'll do with it as I will. Either show some respect for other members in your responses or leave us in peace.
If you continue in your current tone, I'm just going to ban you as it's now reflecting badly on PH that no one is able to talk about the 350T without you getting all high and mighty.
Mark_BT52 said: Jeez!! Etc…
Ok why do I think the targa will be pointless? Take the chassis plus the engine and gearbox:
a) You want a fixed head coupe - take the T350
b) You want a convertible - take the Tamora
c) You want a removable hardtop - take the Tuscan
THAT’S why I think it is a pretty pointless exercise.
All these 3 cars are basically the same, so to do various versions of each one seems pointless because they already exist...etc.
Mark, not so, you forget that they all look different.
If you had been running the business you would never have made the Chimaera because it already existed as the Griffith, but by so doing you would have missed out on building the most successful TVR ever!
The company can play around with body shapes relatively easily and judging by the reaction to the T350 it’s shape is the most instantly appealing design from Blackpool for some time. It's therefore not pointless for them to test the market by introducing some variation of it.
Rich…
Rich, I can see the point from a marketing perspective.
After all that's the entire reason that VW make the Golf and the A3 and the Octavia and the Leon and the TT...
But for me such identical cars which only differentiate in styling lack identity and credibility.
I would much prefer to see different TVRs being different from each other in ways other than simply the styling.
I appreciate that would cost money and I'm happy that the current Tamora/Tuscan/T350 situation does provide different qualities due to the different roof/boot arrangements.
It's the idea of having a T350 convertable and a Tamora available at the same time which I don't like.
The T350T idea still seems to be stretching it to me but I'm happy to be in the minority
Out of interest, was this a model that TVR had planned from the outset, or were they surprised by requests for it as well?
After all that's the entire reason that VW make the Golf and the A3 and the Octavia and the Leon and the TT...
But for me such identical cars which only differentiate in styling lack identity and credibility.
I would much prefer to see different TVRs being different from each other in ways other than simply the styling.
I appreciate that would cost money and I'm happy that the current Tamora/Tuscan/T350 situation does provide different qualities due to the different roof/boot arrangements.
It's the idea of having a T350 convertable and a Tamora available at the same time which I don't like.
The T350T idea still seems to be stretching it to me but I'm happy to be in the minority
Out of interest, was this a model that TVR had planned from the outset, or were they surprised by requests for it as well?
Oh well, I may as well pitch in with my threpence worth too!
The reason for the 'Coupe' and the 'T' IMHO is that TVR know their customers.
The Coupe (which is an excellent car in my experience - 3000 plus faultless miles so far) was designed specifically as a new one make racing series. The average TVR owner likes a lot more 'air in the hair' than a coupe would provide, hence the modified model known as the 'T'.
So racers/trackboys are happy with a rigid/solid feeling coupe and so are the rest of TVR customers who can enjoy the extra torsional stiffness and dynamics of a coupe with the extra air in the hair without the full covertible compromises.
Even at our local club meets there those who like the roof on and those who like the roof off!
Personally I think the 'T' is an excellent addition to the line up and can only offer buyers more choice and maybe even attract some new customers.
We all pays our money and takes our choice, more choice can't be a bad thing!
The reason for the 'Coupe' and the 'T' IMHO is that TVR know their customers.
The Coupe (which is an excellent car in my experience - 3000 plus faultless miles so far) was designed specifically as a new one make racing series. The average TVR owner likes a lot more 'air in the hair' than a coupe would provide, hence the modified model known as the 'T'.
So racers/trackboys are happy with a rigid/solid feeling coupe and so are the rest of TVR customers who can enjoy the extra torsional stiffness and dynamics of a coupe with the extra air in the hair without the full covertible compromises.
Even at our local club meets there those who like the roof on and those who like the roof off!
Personally I think the 'T' is an excellent addition to the line up and can only offer buyers more choice and maybe even attract some new customers.
We all pays our money and takes our choice, more choice can't be a bad thing!
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