V12V Winter tyres
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Ok, probably a really stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so here goes.
For those that fit winter tyres, what happens when you swap back? Do the winter ones stay inflated on the replacement rims during the summer or are they taken off and stored just as tyres and wheels separately.
Sorry if its obvious but I am just curious.
Di
For those that fit winter tyres, what happens when you swap back? Do the winter ones stay inflated on the replacement rims during the summer or are they taken off and stored just as tyres and wheels separately.
Sorry if its obvious but I am just curious.
Di
Magic919 said:
More winter tyre myths, I think. Unless the conditions are wintry you can use your summer tyres in Germany. There's no firm date and no basis for your Insurer to refuse to pay out.
Here are the facts:Germany:
Motorists are obliged to make sure they have correct tyres to suit the winter weather conditions. This may mean the use of winter tyres (with M&S or snowflake symbol) and in extreme weather, the additional use of snow chains.
Vehicles with summer tyres fitted are not allowed to be driven on roads covered with snow and ice. Fines are in place for vehicles found to be doing so.
Austra:
Winter tyres are mandatory in Austria. The law states that passenger cars with a permissible maximum weight of up to 3.5 tonnes may be operated only between 1 November and 15 April in winter conditions such as snow, slush or ice if winter tyres have been installed on all wheels. All-season tyres are also considered winter tyres if they have the "M + S" mark.
As an alternative to winter tyres, snow chains may be used on at least two driving wheels, however, these may only be used in case the road is covered by a complete or scarcely broken snow cover or sheet of ice. Failure to comply with the law results in a fine up to 5,000 Euros and the vehicle could be impounded. Insurance is deemed void if a vehicle which is involved in an accident between November 1 and April 15 is not fitted with winter tyres.
clorenzen said:
Magic919 said:
More winter tyre myths, I think. Unless the conditions are wintry you can use your summer tyres in Germany. There's no firm date and no basis for your Insurer to refuse to pay out.
Here are the facts:Germany:
Motorists are obliged to make sure they have correct tyres to suit the winter weather conditions. This may mean the use of winter tyres (with M&S or snowflake symbol) and in extreme weather, the additional use of snow chains.
Vehicles with summer tyres fitted are not allowed to be driven on roads covered with snow and ice. Fines are in place for vehicles found to be doing so.
Austra:
Winter tyres are mandatory in Austria. The law states that passenger cars with a permissible maximum weight of up to 3.5 tonnes may be operated only between 1 November and 15 April in winter conditions such as snow, slush or ice if winter tyres have been installed on all wheels. All-season tyres are also considered winter tyres if they have the "M + S" mark.
As an alternative to winter tyres, snow chains may be used on at least two driving wheels, however, these may only be used in case the road is covered by a complete or scarcely broken snow cover or sheet of ice. Failure to comply with the law results in a fine up to 5,000 Euros and the vehicle could be impounded. Insurance is deemed void if a vehicle which is involved in an accident between November 1 and April 15 is not fitted with winter tyres.
lady topaz said:
Ok, probably a really stupid question, but I don't know the answer, so here goes.
For those that fit winter tyres, what happens when you swap back? Do the winter ones stay inflated on the replacement rims during the summer or are they taken off and stored just as tyres and wheels separately.
Sorry if its obvious but I am just curious.
Di
Most people buy a second set of rims Di - certainly I have done that for my wife's Z4. The winter tyres stay on the rims and stored for use next time around. Some places will then store them for you ( at a charge of course) unless you have the room yourself. For those that fit winter tyres, what happens when you swap back? Do the winter ones stay inflated on the replacement rims during the summer or are they taken off and stored just as tyres and wheels separately.
Sorry if its obvious but I am just curious.
Di
Magic919 said:
I'm not sure I'd agree on these beings facts. The Germany bit is fine. The Austria bit is just a cut and paste of the Internet myth. If you hire a car in Austria they offer you winter tyres for an additional cost. It's an option. Doesn't sound like they are mandatory or that there are dire consequences. Here's what the Austrian government site says - https://www.help.gv.at/Portal.Node/hlpd/public/con... And of course be sure to buy a Vignette if you visit there.
That's correct. Starting from 01.11 you have to fit winter tyres IF (AND ONLY IF) the conditions impose them. Everyone driving here around at this time of the year would be well advised to have winter tires though :-) JohnG1 said:
Some practical questions...
If you leave the tyre on the wheel - ok, do you need to keep them pumped up? And how do you store them - on their side?
Mine are stacked up and inflated to normal pressure. I feel it's better to have them up to pressure to maintain a good seal to the rim.If you leave the tyre on the wheel - ok, do you need to keep them pumped up? And how do you store them - on their side?
Magic919 said:
I'm not sure I'd agree on these beings facts. The Germany bit is fine. The Austria bit is just a cut and paste of the Internet myth. If you hire a car in Austria they offer you winter tyres for an additional cost. It's an option. Doesn't sound like they are mandatory or that there are dire consequences. Here's what the Austrian government site says - https://www.help.gv.at/Portal.Node/hlpd/public/con... And of course be sure to buy a Vignette if you visit there.
Ok - i live in Austria for half the year (winter) and commute between Munich and Kitzbuhel - so maybe i and all my neighbours are all ill informed. We should believe more in what is on the internet. I challenge you to drive a car in Austria during the period between 1st Nov and 31st March and not have winter conditions. Rental companies are a real pain as everybody who has tried to get a car with winter tyres on a busy friday afternoon in MUC airport will witness. Regardless of law or not i would strongly advice against not having wintertyres fitted when driving in Germany or Austria in the winter months because only mayor roads are gritted. In Germany they have actually decided not to use salt on any roads except on the Autobahns for environmental reasons. Snow chains will only help you when there is a full snow cover and not when there are tracks. Edited by clorenzen on Thursday 17th November 15:12
My quick Googling agrees with Clorenzen, I don't know when the law came in but it must be a moderately recent thing. All up-to-date sites though say it's a legal requirement from those dates but I don't remember anything of it when driving through Austria 5 years ago in winter?
On a side note, in my 200hp BMW 1er (woop!) loaded with some Vredestein winter tyres, bombing up actual ski slope style paths in the Alps was very good fun! Haven't taken another RWD back to snow areas since but the 1er was hugely better than any other English car driving around with chains or 4x4s.
On a side note, in my 200hp BMW 1er (woop!) loaded with some Vredestein winter tyres, bombing up actual ski slope style paths in the Alps was very good fun! Haven't taken another RWD back to snow areas since but the 1er was hugely better than any other English car driving around with chains or 4x4s.
Jockman said:
Zod said:
Yes.
In which case, would you mind giving JohnG1 a hand in improving his negotiating skills.I'm sure he offered elsewhere a 50:50 split on any saving he could make.
Which means - in my humble estimation - that he owes you a couple of hundred squid
Hello all,
Lancaster Reading did me a set of four DBS 20" Pirelli Sotto Zero winter tyres for just under 2k.
They are storing the summer tyres for free and didn't require me to buy an extra set of rims - although they did - ahem - give me the option of spendng another grand on them as well.
Picked it up from NW London and dropping it off too.
Great service team there.
Lancaster Reading did me a set of four DBS 20" Pirelli Sotto Zero winter tyres for just under 2k.
They are storing the summer tyres for free and didn't require me to buy an extra set of rims - although they did - ahem - give me the option of spendng another grand on them as well.
Picked it up from NW London and dropping it off too.
Great service team there.
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