New Vredestein Vorti - Anyone Using It?
Discussion
I've previously had a set of Vredestein on my BMW 330 Coupe and I was happy with them.
Because of that, I have a set on my Fiat Punto. They have excellent reviews.
However... For the Aston, the Bridgestone and Pirelli Tyres are specifically designed and I don't feel brave enough to move away from them.
Because of that, I have a set on my Fiat Punto. They have excellent reviews.
However... For the Aston, the Bridgestone and Pirelli Tyres are specifically designed and I don't feel brave enough to move away from them.
You don't seriously believe that marketing hype, do you? The Pirelli P Zero is used on many cars (as is the Bridgestone). While the tyre may have been intially developed at a specific manufacturer's request, do you really think that the AM stamp on the sidewall means it is somehow different than a Pirelli P Zero with a Porsche or Ferrari stamp on it?
And what is to be brave about? It's not like the car is suddenly going to jump into the nearest hedge, is it?
And what is to be brave about? It's not like the car is suddenly going to jump into the nearest hedge, is it?
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You don't seriously believe that marketing hype, do you? The Pirelli P Zero is used on many cars (as is the Bridgestone). While the tyre may have been intially developed at a specific manufacturer's request, do you really think that the AM stamp on the sidewall means it is somehow different than a Pirelli P Zero with a Porsche or Ferrari stamp on it?
And what is to be brave about? It's not like the car is suddenly going to jump into the nearest hedge, is it?
Actually yes! The chassis engineers always take into account the tyre they develop the car to work with. It seems quite logical to me - tuning the movement of the suspension a certain way to accommodate the way the tyre deforms under load.And what is to be brave about? It's not like the car is suddenly going to jump into the nearest hedge, is it?
It must be critical. Each manufacturer uses different compounds for different tyres.
I suppose the OP has a point, if you always drive so slowly that you never get near the limits of grip that the tyres have, then you don't need to worry if your tyres have 20% less than the originals, provided you always drive 50% less than the tyres can handle.
Its just that odd time that worries me, when you take a corner and there is something on your chosen line, or you hit a wet patch of road that you hadn't expected. At a time like that, when you're heading backwards towards that hedge, there isn't the option to decide to fit better tyres. You only get to make that decision once for the whole lifetime of the tyre.
Its just that odd time that worries me, when you take a corner and there is something on your chosen line, or you hit a wet patch of road that you hadn't expected. At a time like that, when you're heading backwards towards that hedge, there isn't the option to decide to fit better tyres. You only get to make that decision once for the whole lifetime of the tyre.
I don't think the OP was looking for less capable tyres, or necessarily even looking to save money. There are a lot of very good tyres out there for different applications, and the AM branding doesn't seem to be much more than raised lettering on a standard tyre used by other manufacturers for other cars similar in weight and performance.
Tyre technology moves at a fairly good clip, and even if AM worked with Bridgestone and Pirelli to get the tyres at launch, things have progressed since then. There are better tyres available today, depending on what mix of performance, comfort, safety, and wear you're looking for.
Tyre technology moves at a fairly good clip, and even if AM worked with Bridgestone and Pirelli to get the tyres at launch, things have progressed since then. There are better tyres available today, depending on what mix of performance, comfort, safety, and wear you're looking for.
Edited by yvr on Friday 4th May 00:55
BingoBob said:
There's always Ling-Long tyres if you want to save a few quid... 
The Pirelli P Zero is overpriced for its performance...it is now outdated. The equivalent Michelin Pilot Super Sport is superior in all ways at about 2/3rds the price. And Bridgestones are really not very good as compared to the P Zero. They are very noisy and hard riding for no good reason. And they are priced similar to the PSS, so it is, frankly, a no brainer to buy the PSS if you are currently using the Bridgestone.The Vredestein Vorti is new to the market, and is less expensive than the PSS, but it may (or may not) have similar performance, since tyre tech moves very fast. The point is, judging a tyre by price alone is foolish. And just becasue a tyre was SOTA 5 years ago doesn't make it SOTA today.
You can go along buying the 'recommended' tyre, but that doesn't make it the best available tyre out there, nor does it mean that it suits your particular needs such as quiet vs ultimate road grip. People seldom, if ever, drive their cars ar anything approaching 10/10ths on the road, so compromise is normal.
I'm just trying to find out if anyone has any real world experience with the Vorti. And by the way, Vredestein is not Ling-Long.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You don't seriously believe that marketing hype, do you? The Pirelli P Zero is used on many cars (as is the Bridgestone). While the tyre may have been intially developed at a specific manufacturer's request, do you really think that the AM stamp on the sidewall means it is somehow different than a Pirelli P Zero with a Porsche or Ferrari stamp on it?
Bridgestones with the AM stamp have stiffer sidewalls. Designed by Bridgestone in partnership with AM to take account of the weight of the car.Neil1300R said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You don't seriously believe that marketing hype, do you? The Pirelli P Zero is used on many cars (as is the Bridgestone). While the tyre may have been intially developed at a specific manufacturer's request, do you really think that the AM stamp on the sidewall means it is somehow different than a Pirelli P Zero with a Porsche or Ferrari stamp on it?
Bridgestones with the AM stamp have stiffer sidewalls. Designed by Bridgestone in partnership with AM to take account of the weight of the car.There are well proven alternatives on the last three cars.
Us Astoneers just don't use the volume of tyres to establish what works better.
I may well try something different when my rears need doing.
I have Verdis on the rear of mine. I replaced the AM9 Bridgestones with them. I find them superior in every aspect & especially in the wet. I had them all round on my old BMW Z4 M Coupe, not as good in the dry as Mich Pilots but miles better when things got damp.
Being sucked in by the AM tyre stamp isn't for me, I'll happily make my own descisions.
Being sucked in by the AM tyre stamp isn't for me, I'll happily make my own descisions.
shunt said:
I have Verdis on the rear of mine. I replaced the AM9 Bridgestones with them. I find them superior in every aspect & especially in the wet. I had them all round on my old BMW Z4 M Coupe, not as good in the dry as Mich Pilots but miles better when things got damp.
Being sucked in by the AM tyre stamp isn't for me, I'll happily make my own descisions.
Good to hearBeing sucked in by the AM tyre stamp isn't for me, I'll happily make my own descisions.
How many miles have you done?
Any issues with ABS, ESP or TPMS?
DB9VolanteDriver said:
And Bridgestones are really not very good as compared to the P Zero. They are very noisy and hard riding for no good reason. And they are priced similar to the PSS, so it is, frankly, a no brainer to buy the PSS if you are currently using the Bridgestone.
Agree that the Bridgestones are awful. I didn't realize how bad they were until I traded in my V8V for my V12V. Way too hard and make for an uncomfortable ride over anything but the smoothest of surfaces. 
) I will be getting the same again 
mikey k said:
Good to hear
How many miles have you done?
Any issues with ABS, ESP or TPMS?
I've done 6k miles on them upto now with no issues. Also seem to be wearing very well. They feel much more stable than the old Bridgestones, they were truly dreadful hence why I changed.How many miles have you done?
Any issues with ABS, ESP or TPMS?
They are Sessenta's not Vortis by the way.
moveover said:
I had Pilot Sports on a previous BMW and agree they are excellent. Anyone know if they are available in the right size for a V8V?
Pilot Sports are old generation. The NEW Super Sports are miles (pun intended) ahead in terms of performance. And they are better than the P Zero for less money.Gassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff