V12 Vantage Roadster Confirmed

V12 Vantage Roadster Confirmed

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spice

632 posts

271 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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Got the e brochure today, looks fantastic, but £150 k , that's getting near to 458 money

George H

14,707 posts

165 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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spice said:
Got the e brochure today, looks fantastic, but £150 k , that's getting near to 458 money
No where near 458 spyder money though. From what I've heard, with options they're around £280k. Plus one is a very limited edition that shouldn't depreciate that much. Mind you, I wouldn't have a 458 over one even if they were half the price.

AWV12

600 posts

148 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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spice said:
Got the e brochure today, looks fantastic, but £150 k , that's getting near to 458 money
great, any pics to share?

Guycord

744 posts

174 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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I got an email from a Dealer asking if I was interested too.

Told them to get-off. Thing will be an ugly abomination imho.

JONAHHELE

85 posts

144 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Be wary of 101 limited build IMHO. One might ask whether if there is a demand one could see, a special
Anniversary edition, a carbon black edition, a ultimate edition, need I go on.
Track record with these things?

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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JONAHHELE said:
Be wary of 101 limited build IMHO. One might ask whether if there is a demand one could see, a special
Anniversary edition, a carbon black edition, a ultimate edition, need I go on.
Track record with these things?
Agree with the sentiment but I doubt it in this instance
There are plaques indicating 'x of 101' on the cars
They are coming fully loaded in the style of a carbon type edition
In fairness, these other editions in the past have mostly never been stated as limited in number nor have they been based on cars previously thought to be at the end of their run
We all know they have made a poor job of handling numbers on the V12V which is probably why they have used the 'plaque system' on the V12VR to ensure we know they will be true to their word on numbers
I'd be amazed if they did more roadsters at the end of this run unless there is the small possibility of a higher powered version of the coupe &/or roadster and even that I'd be surprised at

The Pits

4,289 posts

241 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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£150k is fair considering the coupe easily hits £140k with extras (yes I know few actually sell for that).

I would hugely prefer one to a 458 spyder, even if they were the same price. But for (at least) £50k less plus you get four more cylinders! Total no brainer. Once the hype has died down about the 458 its value will drop like a lead balloon (ok or a high-end Aston!). If the production run stays low there will always be a queue of buyers itching to get their hands on a V12VR.

Grant3

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3,635 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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mikey k said:
I have "made a promise" so can say no more wink
Good on you Mikey thumbup you lucky devil.

Seems a fair price if they are only going to build 101 (rather than 1001!)particularly if you compare it to the limited run Zagato yikes must confess to being sorely tempted, but it's hard to justify the £££'s leap from a tin top V12V. Having said that, the combination of its rarity and top driver's car credentials scratchchinidea

johng39

3,059 posts

161 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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£70 - £75K on top of my 2009 V12V Coupe is a bit too much dough for me to sink into a car that in fairness needs mileage to be kept sensible due to it's rarity. I like driving mine too much and put too many miles on it from a collector perspective and it would kill me leaving it in the garage. If I had the money I would not hesitate in fairness as I would keep the Coupe and buy the Roadster.

Cant wait to see Mikey's though biggrin

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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johng39 said:
.....Cant wait to see Mikey's though biggrin
Can't wait to have a go in it too biggrin

Aston will have NO problem selling 100 of these wondrous beasts. I anticipate a waiting list. I do not anticipate any need for any discounting whatsoever. I anticipate selling prices rising to reduce demand - just like the Zag smile

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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johng39 said:
£70 - £75K on top of my 2009 V12V Coupe is a bit too much dough for me to sink into a car that in fairness needs mileage to be kept sensible due to it's rarity. I like driving mine too much and put too many miles on it from a collector perspective and it would kill me leaving it in the garage. If I had the money I would not hesitate in fairness as I would keep the Coupe and buy the Roadster.

Cant wait to see Mikey's though biggrin
I'm going to have a very similar and tough-to-take upgrade price from my roadster S but my attitude is
-life's too short
-it's a keeper so mileage is irrellevant (I'll do 7.5k+ miles a yr in it as my 'only 2nd car' for at least 3-4 yrs and then it will only reduce if I buy another sports car and keep the V12VR for special occasions)
-it's the car I've always wanted (well for 2 yrs anyway) so I won't be able to live with myself if I don't go for it now whilst I can

So there are no doubts for me unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated

George H

14,707 posts

165 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Jockman said:
johng39 said:
.....Cant wait to see Mikey's though biggrin
Can't wait to have a go in it too biggrin
But I thought you didn't like convertibles? That mean's I'll just have to have a go in it instead biggrin

spice

632 posts

271 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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think i will stick with my limited number, special eddition,carbon pack ,exclusive V8 N420 laugh

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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jonby said:
.......unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated
Inevitable ???

For 100 exclusive cars in roadster format ?? By how much do you think they are covering their unit costs on such a small output ?? What is the anticipated demand ??

I think the answer to those questions will inevitably necessitate a hiking of the price. Great if you can get one though smile

whoami

13,151 posts

241 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Jockman said:
jonby said:
.......unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated
Inevitable ???

For 100 exclusive cars in roadster format ?? By how much do you think they are covering their unit costs on such a small output ?? What is the anticipated demand ??

I think the answer to those questions will inevitably necessitate a hiking of the price. Great if you can get one though smile
They'll just make more.

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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whoami said:
They'll just make more.
You mean Aston would tell a porky ??

Not very British, eh.

No wonder there's strife on the AMOC site.

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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whoami said:
Jockman said:
jonby said:
.......unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated
Inevitable ???

For 100 exclusive cars in roadster format ?? By how much do you think they are covering their unit costs on such a small output ?? What is the anticipated demand ??

I think the answer to those questions will inevitably necessitate a hiking of the price. Great if you can get one though smile
They'll just make more.
Well I have said all along, including my quotes on here from many months ago, that it doesnt quite stack up that they make a very small number but don't charge an exclusivity premium, for exactly the reasons you have both given above

Slots are not actually being allocated yet - at most, individual dealers have told a single customer that they will have a car (all UK dealers can reasonably assume they will get at least one car) - that's the position I'm in

In fact I think UK dealers will get more than 1 car as it's not available in the US, china or most middle eastern markets so my guess is circa 40 for the UK (I think there are 22 UK dealers ?)

They won't make more than 101 cars. They may try to move the price marginally. But 150k definitely the idicative price

I suspect they got their fingers burnt with Zag which definitely isn't selling well plus, as others have indicated on here, the upgrade cost is pretty severe becase the 150k will be non-negotiable - the real world premium over the coupe is more like 30-40k based on what you can actually buy a new V12V coupe for. Perhaps they realise that given the 60-75k upgrade cost for those with V8S roadsters & V12V coupes, the most likely buyers of this car, 150k is the max it will sell at

For instance much as I want one, if the price goes up, I won't buy - at 175k+ for a V12VR, I'd keep my V8S roadster and spend 100k on a GT3RS

silverspeed

1,505 posts

231 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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jonby said:
whoami said:
Jockman said:
jonby said:
.......unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated
Inevitable ???

For 100 exclusive cars in roadster format ?? By how much do you think they are covering their unit costs on such a small output ?? What is the anticipated demand ??

I think the answer to those questions will inevitably necessitate a hiking of the price. Great if you can get one though smile
They'll just make more.
Well I have said all along, including my quotes on here from many months ago, that it doesnt quite stack up that they make a very small number but don't charge an exclusivity premium, for exactly the reasons you have both given above

Slots are not actually being allocated yet - at most, individual dealers have told a single customer that they will have a car (all UK dealers can reasonably assume they will get at least one car) - that's the position I'm in

In fact I think UK dealers will get more than 1 car as it's not available in the US, china or most middle eastern markets so my guess is circa 40 for the UK (I think there are 22 UK dealers ?)

They won't make more than 101 cars. They may try to move the price marginally. But 150k definitely the idicative price

I suspect they got their fingers burnt with Zag which definitely isn't selling well plus, as others have indicated on here, the upgrade cost is pretty severe becase the 150k will be non-negotiable - the real world premium over the coupe is more like 30-40k based on what you can actually buy a new V12V coupe for. Perhaps they realise that given the 60-75k upgrade cost for those with V8S roadsters & V12V coupes, the most likely buyers of this car, 150k is the max it will sell at

For instance much as I want one, if the price goes up, I won't buy - at 175k+ for a V12VR, I'd keep my V8S roadster and spend 100k on a GT3RS
Totally agree. £150k may not however get you the spec you want? Stereo upgrade, front parking sensors ,lightweight seats - all options!

johng39

3,059 posts

161 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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jonby said:
I'm going to have a very similar and tough-to-take upgrade price from my roadster S but my attitude is
-life's too short
-it's a keeper so mileage is irrellevant (I'll do 7.5k+ miles a yr in it as my 'only 2nd car' for at least 3-4 yrs and then it will only reduce if I buy another sports car and keep the V12VR for special occasions)
-it's the car I've always wanted (well for 2 yrs anyway) so I won't be able to live with myself if I don't go for it now whilst I can

So there are no doubts for me unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated
But will they command a premium over this new price on the 2nd hand market if they are all sold??? Is it a genuine investment opportunity with such a limited run? Questions, questions, questions.....

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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johng39 said:
jonby said:
I'm going to have a very similar and tough-to-take upgrade price from my roadster S but my attitude is
-life's too short
-it's a keeper so mileage is irrellevant (I'll do 7.5k+ miles a yr in it as my 'only 2nd car' for at least 3-4 yrs and then it will only reduce if I buy another sports car and keep the V12VR for special occasions)
-it's the car I've always wanted (well for 2 yrs anyway) so I won't be able to live with myself if I don't go for it now whilst I can

So there are no doubts for me unless they suddenly up the price from that which has been indicated
But will they command a premium over this new price on the 2nd hand market if they are all sold??? Is it a genuine investment opportunity with such a limited run? Questions, questions, questions.....
I think most who buy this car will do so with the intention of running it, at least for a yr or two, in some instance slonger

so very few should become available

whihc in turn should theoretically lead to a premium

But I wouldn't bank on it !