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AMDBSVNick said:
NeinFondue said:
vanquish spirit said:
I do like the DBS but I don't get this fixation with them...sorry to say. I realise that will not make me popular on here and its only my view...I run an 8 speed Vanquish Volante which is in serious danger of becoming worth less than a DBS Volante.....compare and contrast please? eh?
I think you'll be fine. Doubt that the 8 speed Vanquish Volante will be worth less than the DBS Volante anytime soon... 
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AMDBSVNick said:
No wonder, another interior made out of melted Easter egg!
Personally, I like the look of the DBS (and the interior too) versus the Vanquish. The Vanquish has that unfortunate "fish mouth" splitter (thankfully junked for the nicer S) and I find the interior somewhat fussy and forced. Other than that, the Vanquish 8 speed is a better car. However, it is not so much better that it makes me want to part with large amounts of my hard-earned to switch.
However, if I could switch from a DBS to a Vanquish (8 speed) at no cost, I would in a heartbeat. I suspect others would too. So Vanquish are unlikely (on a like-for-like basis) to trade at a discount any time soon.
So I think DBS values rising will have the same effect on Vanquish prices (or Vanquish coming down further will bring DBS with them!).
One of the things that surprises me is that these Vanquishes don't turn over much. I'm pretty sure both Ceramic Grey Volantes were both for sale two months ago when I last searched. Maybe they need to be more keenly priced?
However, if I could switch from a DBS to a Vanquish (8 speed) at no cost, I would in a heartbeat. I suspect others would too. So Vanquish are unlikely (on a like-for-like basis) to trade at a discount any time soon.
So I think DBS values rising will have the same effect on Vanquish prices (or Vanquish coming down further will bring DBS with them!).
One of the things that surprises me is that these Vanquishes don't turn over much. I'm pretty sure both Ceramic Grey Volantes were both for sale two months ago when I last searched. Maybe they need to be more keenly priced?
Perhaps another way of viewing the situation is that DBS manuals were very undervalued a year or 2 back (and I would say the slump in Vanquish is probably temporary). When Porsche came out and said the 991 GT3 and RS would only be PDK, values of the 997 jumped by 40-50% in a couple of months (and there are many more GT3s than DBS manuals), so I'm only surprised it's taken this long for them to get back to these levels. So if you want the naturally aspirated V12 Manual experience, what are your options?.....maybe V12VM are looking undervalued now???!!
AstonZagato said:
However, if I could switch from a DBS to a Vanquish (8 speed) at no cost, I would in a heartbeat. I suspect others would too. So Vanquish are unlikely (on a like-for-like basis) to trade at a discount any time soon.
Your wish may come true sooner than you think. Based on current asking prices there are 8 Vanquish 8 speeds at, or below the price of that DBS manual. I have thought about this and can genuinely say I wouldn't swap my DBS Manual for a Vanquish...that said I'm not sure there's anything I would swap it for at the same price. I must admit I wouldn't mind swapping my dbs man. for an 8 speed vanq.The problem is I daredn't.Collectible Astons always get back to their original selling price eventually,and go on!
In the 80's my dad bought a db5 conv for £7k he sold it a few years later for £100k to a dealer.He couldn't believe it.The following year or so in the late 80's the market crashed 50%. "I got that one right " I remember him saying.The car sold a couple of years ago at Bonhams for £1,087000 and I got left a rusty Austin and a pedal car.
In the 80's my dad bought a db5 conv for £7k he sold it a few years later for £100k to a dealer.He couldn't believe it.The following year or so in the late 80's the market crashed 50%. "I got that one right " I remember him saying.The car sold a couple of years ago at Bonhams for £1,087000 and I got left a rusty Austin and a pedal car.
Ah well thanks for the input chaps. We all have our views, and I am always keen to hear others opinions. I think it would be hard not to find a Vanquish Volante a handsome machine. I have heard your funny spoiler perspective before AstonZagato but I don't see it at all. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I like the DBS and very nearly bought one until the VV came along. One thing I really must say, is that having had a couple of original Vanquish S, auto manuals, I was concerned about an auto box not feeling sharp enough. The 8 speed is absolutely superb and in sport mode shifts like a manual, very impressive indeed. As I think Harry Metcalf commented, it really makes the double clutch manuals seen on other exotica as somewhat superfluous .
I think you are getting too smug in this thread again. Clearly at almost the same price the Vanquish is a no brainer when having the choice. It is just are more modern iteration of a similar design. The lines over the hip of the Vanquish do look awesome and it is an all carbon body. What is not to like. ?
I think you are being unfair. No-one here is saying the DBS is objectively a better car. In fact most posts make it clear the Vanquish is better (especially the 8 speed). I said so myself.
However, better doesn't always equate to higher value. It is desirability that counts. Many cars are better than a DB5. The later DB6 trades at a big discount. The 90s Virages are better than 80s V8 in many respects - especially technology. Yet share an engine. But are worth less.
I suspect that the DBS might become the bedroom poster car for a particular generation. Partly because (IMHO) it looks better resolved than the Vanquish but the Bond connection will have seared it into the minds of many young men. Whether that will make it more desirable in the long term, only time will tell. But the early price action suggests it might.
That said, I would swap.
However, better doesn't always equate to higher value. It is desirability that counts. Many cars are better than a DB5. The later DB6 trades at a big discount. The 90s Virages are better than 80s V8 in many respects - especially technology. Yet share an engine. But are worth less.
I suspect that the DBS might become the bedroom poster car for a particular generation. Partly because (IMHO) it looks better resolved than the Vanquish but the Bond connection will have seared it into the minds of many young men. Whether that will make it more desirable in the long term, only time will tell. But the early price action suggests it might.
That said, I would swap.
AstonZagato said:
I think you are being unfair. No-one here is saying the DBS is objectively a better car. In fact most posts make it clear the Vanquish is better (especially the 8 speed). I said so myself.
However, better doesn't always equate to higher value. It is desirability that counts. Many cars are better than a DB5. The later DB6 trades at a big discount. The 90s Virages are better than 80s V8 in many respects - especially technology. Yet share an engine. But are worth less.
I suspect that the DBS might become the bedroom poster car for a particular generation. Partly because (IMHO) it looks better resolved than the Vanquish but the Bond connection will have seared it into the minds of many young men. Whether that will make it more desirable in the long term, only time will tell. But the early price action suggests it might.
That said, I would swap.
Well said and at the end of the day it's all a bit of fun. Sadly I have no choice but to keep mine, sHowever, better doesn't always equate to higher value. It is desirability that counts. Many cars are better than a DB5. The later DB6 trades at a big discount. The 90s Virages are better than 80s V8 in many respects - especially technology. Yet share an engine. But are worth less.
I suspect that the DBS might become the bedroom poster car for a particular generation. Partly because (IMHO) it looks better resolved than the Vanquish but the Bond connection will have seared it into the minds of many young men. Whether that will make it more desirable in the long term, only time will tell. But the early price action suggests it might.
That said, I would swap.
t happens.However if the chance ever arose that I could own two the Blue Vanquish S Volante on the AM website would be in my garage in a heartbeat
hornbaek said:
I think you are getting too smug in this thread again. Clearly at almost the same price the Vanquish is a no brainer when having the choice. It is just are more modern iteration of a similar design. The lines over the hip of the Vanquish do look awesome and it is an all carbon body. What is not to like. ?
One word. Manual. The autos DBS prices are presumably rising on the coat tails of the manuals, but I can only see that price gap growing. It's only DBS & V12V/SM that have in any serious production numbers, the combination of manual box and n/a V12 engine and that will never change.
As the effect of not being able to order V12 Vantage any more starts to kick into play, I am sure the prices of those will start to rise soon too and DBS manual prices could surely then kick on again
Word on the street here is that V12V (manual) prices are on the rise. I found the other day a dealer stocklist sheet from Oct 2015 advertising a low mileage V12V for around 99,500 euros. I then heard that the very same car just changed hands again, with little more mileage on it, for 112,000 euros...in less than two years (12.5%).
trigbush said:
Word on the street here is that V12V (manual) prices are on the rise. I found the other day a dealer stocklist sheet from Oct 2015 advertising a low mileage V12V for around 99,500 euros. I then heard that the very same car just changed hands again, with little more mileage on it, for 112,000 euros...in less than two years (12.5%).
am hearing the sameNo more orders means there is now a cap on supply.......that only normally leads to one thing ;-)
I love these "wonderful" predictions of values only going in one direction. This all lasts until the next correction in the market and then it's all downhill from there. It took the best part of 40 years for DB4 and DB5s to recover to above their sales prices back in the 1960ties and I think we are not far away from the next bubble. There is an awful lot of fluff in the market. It might be that manual V12s are few and far between but we might have a complete ban on large polluting engines in inner cities in a couple of years time and then we are all buggered. Buy the car you like (for cash) and residuals is something you get when you come to sell it as it buys you nothing in between.
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