V12 Vantage (manual) - Production Numbers?

[Calinours]

Familymad said:

Amazing difference in value. Would have thought £10k maybe.

Agreed. I would have considered that it could not be more than a $40k USD (plus maybe taxes and shipping) job for AM works to drop out the (remember it’s essentially the same 7sp) trans box, remove the automation gubbins, fit factory 3rd pedal, pipes sensors and reservoir, fit factory stick, linkage, sensors and surround, replace the auto waterfall for the manual one (no DRN buttons) and update with factory manual firmware. All as a cheaper way to get into a manual. I wonder if Works will begin offering conversions if these market differentials which exist in US and perhaps to a somewhat lesser extent elsewhere remain so high?

SSIII suits the car well and really does deserve more love. It seems like an absolute bargain compared to that manual.

[AdamV12V]

Calinours said:

Familymad said:

Amazing difference in value. Would have thought £10k maybe.

Agreed. I would have considered that it could not be more than a $40k USD (plus maybe taxes and shipping) job for AM works to drop out the (remember it’s essentially the same 7sp) trans box, remove the automation gubbins, fit factory 3rd pedal, pipes sensors and reservoir, fit factory stick, linkage, sensors and surround, replace the auto waterfall for the manual one (no DRN buttons) and update with factory manual firmware. All as a cheaper way to get into a manual. I wonder if Works will begin offering conversions if these market differentials which exist in US and perhaps to a somewhat lesser extent elsewhere remain so high?

SSIII suits the car well and really does deserve more love. It seems like an absolute bargain compared to that manual.

You’re both looking at it purely on the mechanical / driver differences between SS and the manual. That in itself would indeed likely only command a £10k or so difference between the two, however your forgetting there were over 1400 SS V12VS made but only 350 manuals, so they are 4x rarer! Rarer than many ltd edition models in fact, such as the new V12V and say the various Vanquish Zagato models.

Combine the rarity with the fact it “appeals” more to hardcore drivers, and also the novelty dogleg layout appeals in itself, are what sets the price differential at what it is.

Sure SS is a great system, but don’t forget the dogleg manual is an evolution of SSIII, and theres nothing you cant do in a dogleg manual that you can do in SS. Instead of paddles you can flatshift using AMShift mode if thats what appeals, and it even blips the throttle on downshifts in exactly the same way too!

[chesby]

Familymad said:

Amazing difference in value. Would have thought £10k maybe.

Manual versions of Ferraris enjoy significant premiums over their flappy paddle brethren.

[Calinours]

AdamV12V said:

Calinours said:

Familymad said:

Amazing difference in value. Would have thought £10k maybe.

Agreed. I would have considered that it could not be more than a $40k USD (plus maybe taxes and shipping) job for AM works to drop out the (remember it’s essentially the same 7sp) trans box, remove the automation gubbins, fit factory 3rd pedal, pipes sensors and reservoir, fit factory stick, linkage, sensors and surround, replace the auto waterfall for the manual one (no DRN buttons) and update with factory manual firmware. All as a cheaper way to get into a manual. I wonder if Works will begin offering conversions if these market differentials which exist in US and perhaps to a somewhat lesser extent elsewhere remain so high?

SSIII suits the car well and really does deserve more love. It seems like an absolute bargain compared to that manual.

You’re both looking at it purely on the mechanical / driver differences between SS and the manual. That in itself would indeed likely only command a £10k or so difference between the two, however your forgetting there were over 1400 SS V12VS made but only 350 manuals, so they are 4x rarer! Rarer than many ltd edition models in fact, such as the new V12V and say the various Vanquish Zagato models.

Combine the rarity with the fact it “appeals” more to hardcore drivers, and also the novelty dogleg layout appeals in itself, are what sets the price differential at what it is.

Sure SS is a great system, but don’t forget the dogleg manual is an evolution of SSIII, and theres nothing you cant do in a dogleg manual that you can do in SS. Instead of paddles you can flatshift using AMShift mode if thats what appeals, and it even blips the throttle on downshifts in exactly the same way too!

All agreed and absolutely not disputed. I’m merely hypothesising on a possible alternative route into a coveted V12VSM. Would it justify the cost and add sufficient value to an SSIII will be the million dollar question.

With hindsight, both 2018 V12VSM and Vanq S would have been my ideal world keeper stable mates. Ahh, such go the choices and decisions in life.

[ctal28]

Ferrari F430 coupes and spiders that have been converted from F1 to 6sp manuals are being sold at a pretty substantial discount when compared to the factory produced manual transmission F430s. Not sure what the cost is but a conversion must be pretty pricey. Not sure if it is worth it....from a value standpoint.

Getting back to the US V12VSMR, there are only 35 of them in the US (see registry at v12vsm.com). Another reason for its value retention.

Edited by ctal28 on Friday 23 February 00:00

[franki68]

It’s also the last v12 manual of any car .

[Minglar]

franki68 said:

It’s also the last v12 manual of any car .

Have you forgotten Valour?
Seriously though, I don’t think it’s a huge surprise that the seven speed manuals are holding up so well. There are currently a couple of V12VSMR AMR cars for sale at almost 2022 V12 Vantage money. As Adam said it’s a combination of many factors, despite how good SSIII is, but rarity is definitely close to the top of that list. When the seven speed first came out in 2016/2017 my MD offered me the choice of a new dealer specced coupé or roadster at a fairly chunky discount but I stuck with what I had and turned him down. Both of those cars would probably cost the same now as the offer then. Not bad depreciation for an Aston Martin really. It’s interesting to see the situation with manual new (previous generation) V8 Vantage. The demand just isn’t there and although they are pretty rare too prices have not held up very well at all. This could be due to the limitations and compromises that were made to link the seven speed box to the AMG engine. BRM.