RE: Aston V8 Vantage takes pride of place
Discussion
Robbo66 said:
TS has it right on the button. It's the worst time to be spending upwards of £ 90K on any Super Car at the moment. It will hit the fan. Just got out of a 360 for that reason and into 997 S. I've a deposit down for the Aston (£5K) since June last year, but will get out if the prices moves north of £85K.
I lost £16k in 8 months on the 360, and I don't care how wealthy you are it hurts.
The £90K + cars are sticking at the dealers, the 575m, Gallardo etc taking 40% hits in the first year.
The £50K to £70K is a far safer bracket to be in at the moment, and IMO for the next year or so.
Not wanting to start a major argument about this (as I'm sure we have all lost a bundle on cars over the years), but isn't it all about timing and the 'right' car? I sold my 360 for what I paid for it having owned it for 18 months, but that was in 2000. They are dropping now due to the F430. However, my 996 cost me 15k in 18 months due to high(ish) mileage and the imminent arrival of the 997. Big Ferraris (456, 550, 575, 612) have always been for the mega-rich as they drop like stones and cost a fortune to run. But the DB9 and Continental GT were good news for sometime while they were the 'in cars'.
Demand for the AMV8 is sky high (time will tell how much is from speculators) as it is a relatively affordable Aston, looks great and the marque is currently the 'place to be'. Hey, it may even be a brilliant drive..... even if it doesn't quite have the power / torque we were hoping for (but then neither did my 968 CS, but that was an utter joy to drive)
Surely, desirability + a major supply imbalance + genuine quality = very low (or negative) depreciation for some time
I guess time will tell, but as long as we avoid a recession
, I think my money is reasonably safe in a V8. 
GetCarter said:
BTW... Christan Scott Thomas?
>> Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 10th March 18:41
You lot are all quite welcome to enjoy the company of "Christian Scott Thomas" , whoever the hell that is..
I for one am clearly in with a much better chance of getting familiar with the lovely KRISTIN Scott-Thomas . I at least get her name right...
Who needs an Aston anyway if you can't remember her name?
robbo66 said:
Your right about the 'K' but not about your chances...4500 posts! You've got to get out more.
Bugger, how many ???!!
The only defence I can offer is that I have a laptop with wireless broadband and do spend most evenings exchanging work related mail with clients in the US..
Clearly though, I work rather less than I think I did. Which might explain why I am baulking at the price of the AMV8 !!!
GetCarter said:
...been used to a 911 with 457 lb torque... and before you say it, 90k will buy a turbo with 420 ft (if not an S - or X50).
That article in EVO also says that the V8 Vantage's power-to-weight ratio is almost identical to the 911, which seems wrong or, is the 911 a mega heavy-weight lump?
Rich... >> Edited by richb on Friday 11th March 09:33
Rich... mine was the turbo (996 costs 90k) - but I had the X50 pack (like Daz) which took it to 450 bhp 457 ft lb torque. It weighed +/-1525kg. 0-100-0 in 13 seconds. The std turbo is 420 bhp / 413 lb torque.
As I mentioned - at £75 - 80 k the V8 is in 911 territory... but at 90k it's head to head with the turbo. Really depend what it's going to cost!
I appreciate that the Aston is less 'hard core' than the 911 tt - but: 1/ everything I read puts it up against the 911 and 2/ I thought if people wanted to do the trad 'Aston' thing, they'd buy a DB9 (allbeit for more money)
Steve
>> Edited by GetCarter on Friday 11th March 09:57
As I mentioned - at £75 - 80 k the V8 is in 911 territory... but at 90k it's head to head with the turbo. Really depend what it's going to cost!
I appreciate that the Aston is less 'hard core' than the 911 tt - but: 1/ everything I read puts it up against the 911 and 2/ I thought if people wanted to do the trad 'Aston' thing, they'd buy a DB9 (allbeit for more money)
Steve
>> Edited by GetCarter on Friday 11th March 09:57
After all these posts . . . I really can't see what - except for performance figures and money - these two cars have in common. I mean: a 911 guy wouldn't buy an Aston V8 because it would change his mind about his own car. And vice versa . . . A girl surely wouldn't also 
Hammond in a 911 and May in an Aston / Jag . . . says it all if you known these guys just a tiny bit.
Aston for me btw . . . obvious.
Hammond in a 911 and May in an Aston / Jag . . . says it all if you known these guys just a tiny bit.
Aston for me btw . . . obvious.
I know what you mean. The 911 has never appealed to me as the engine is in the wrong place (or the right place, depending on your point of view ).
To me, the V8 Vantage will be more a rival to Jaguar XKR and Maserati 4200 and will appeal more to drivers that prefer the engine up front.
In reality, it's probably closest to the Maserati (drivetrain layout/heritage/exclusivity etc).
Interesting to look at the spec of the Masser V8 too.....beats the Aston's torque by a little bit.
). To me, the V8 Vantage will be more a rival to Jaguar XKR and Maserati 4200 and will appeal more to drivers that prefer the engine up front.
In reality, it's probably closest to the Maserati (drivetrain layout/heritage/exclusivity etc).
Interesting to look at the spec of the Masser V8 too.....beats the Aston's torque by a little bit.
Twin Turbo said:
. . .
In reality, it's probably closest to the Maserati (drivetrain layout/heritage/exclusivity etc).
Interesting to look at the spec of the Masser V8 too.....beats the Aston's torque by a little bit.
Italia vs Britain . . . old days.
Aston wins on looks.
www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2004/mar/images/2005maserati.jpg
www.fastdrive.org/img/maserati_coupe_2005_1.jpg
My last (serious) car was a 996, my next will be the AMV8 (before these it was a 360). All are (or will) be fantastic cars in their on way. I'm not quite sure why people need to be Porsche or Aston people.
I just like great cars and try to appreciate the attributes of each. My 968 CS was the most involving car to drive and just made you want to be in it....but it wasn't exactly over done with power.
I've always wanted an Aston, but don't have 100k+ to spend. I would also like to try to keep depreciation under check if possible.
BTW...my brochure and letter that arrived today said the price was expected to be £79,500, but still to be confirmed.
I just like great cars and try to appreciate the attributes of each. My 968 CS was the most involving car to drive and just made you want to be in it....but it wasn't exactly over done with power.
I've always wanted an Aston, but don't have 100k+ to spend. I would also like to try to keep depreciation under check if possible.
BTW...my brochure and letter that arrived today said the price was expected to be £79,500, but still to be confirmed.
GetCarter said:
Brochures...
you got all... I got nothing!
I'll get onto them on Monday!
Steve
I had an RS6 and then a 996 TT as you have. Found them both exceptionally quick but pretty dead to drive. As allornothing said, my most involving wasn't necessarily the quickest, a MK 1 GT3 and the 360. I'll never buy another 4 wheel drive varient. Does it all for you. Point to point though nothing would touch the 996TT....but if you can't really remember how you got there....what's the 'point'.
allornothing said:
Surely, desirability + a major supply imbalance + genuine quality = very low (or negative) depreciation for some time
You've missed "luck" and "previous losses to dealer".
Because these are the only 2 ways you can make this equation work.
1) The car has remained popular and in demand for longer then the speculators expected.
An example would be the 360. Largely due to no competition. (And even then alot of people lost out, because they paid huge premiums).
And even then the window of opportunity was relatively small when compared to the "waiting lists". And amounts of money involved.
2) You've dropped so much money with the dealer you are now a "valued" customer. And get a nice high place on the waiting list.
The problem is speculators do this for a living. So for most its option 2. Or a take a big risk on 1.
With few exceptions (largely lucky exceptions) this sector of the market has never been a good place to play. The good old days of zero depreciation are largely ficticious.
So if you cant afford to lose 30%-40% this has never and will never be the market for you.
rich1231 said:
Jus seen the following on my dealers website:
Make of vehicle Model Derivative List price
Aston Martin Vantage 4.3 V8 Vantage (est pricing) £81,309.00
Hmmmm could be worse... so with a few options about 88k I guess.
But as mentioned, the 997 911 is 58k & with a decent spec about 64k ... at least we now know that the AMV8 is NOT going up against the 911 - price wise it's closer to the 996 turbo (90k)
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