GT12 performance pack for V12VS
Discussion
J12KJR said:
How much difference is there in the sound? Just louder or a change of exhaust note? I like the sound of my V12VS but wouldn't mind some extra volume when in the mood.
Very similar in sound to a V12V with a secondary de-cat, betting at the top-end it will be a bit louder though - but haven't been on any runs since having it done for anyone to follow me and confirm that.Its funny to see that anyone who owns (or is looking to own) a GT12 cares about this issue and everyone who doesn't own one can't see the issue.
Enfin, lets then just go for a drive!
Finally a day off for myself and the weather turns sour...its been tropical for a bloody week but if the old chap has time off, ofcourse its cloudy and grey....
SLR is the weapon of choice for today, nice and angry style of driving is in order I would say.
Enfin, lets then just go for a drive!
Finally a day off for myself and the weather turns sour...its been tropical for a bloody week but if the old chap has time off, ofcourse its cloudy and grey....
SLR is the weapon of choice for today, nice and angry style of driving is in order I would say.
jonby said:
Interestingly someone posted about the 1,000 V12V limit - in fact, very little more than 1,000 were made in the original markets the car was launched in, if one excludes V12VS, V12V roadster, GT12, etc
Communication between marketing, design, production, sales, dealerships, etc seems at best, 'improved but nowhere near good enough' and I think in Aston's case, that's definitely at the heart of a number of customer 'grievances'.
This grievance is a marketing cock up, just like in the case of V8 N400, the wider kit spun from that model which could be fitted to any V8, was simply called 'AM power upgrade kit' (I hear a top bloke designed that masterpiece which brought the company over £1m in revenue). For this kit, which is only V12VS, it should not have had any reference to GT12, not even mention in marketing that the kit was even derived from GT12 - call it V12VS power upgrade and there is no bother.Communication between marketing, design, production, sales, dealerships, etc seems at best, 'improved but nowhere near good enough' and I think in Aston's case, that's definitely at the heart of a number of customer 'grievances'.
It's interesting you think Aston has issues, not surprising really seeing the huge turnover in staff over last decade, which in my opinion represents pretty much nobody instrumental in original VH launch still present. But hadn't they better get their act together? Their today's 5 year plan analysed in totality means that whilst in the last 102 ish years saw them build approx. 85k cars, between now and 2020 ish they plan to build approx. 85k cars! And for the last 5 years a number of these minor grievances (paint bubbling, discounting new prices thus effecting residuals and releasing new models which annoy previous model owners to name but a few) has occurred whilst they have only made approx. 15k cars. They plan to create a monster when they struggle to tame a Chihuahua- of course, imho
Jon39 said:
The main subject raised by this topic, has not put off customers for the
AM-RB 001.
500 people want 150 cars, even though the Company has already hinted at the possibility of 002.
002: would that be the mid-engine "Vantage" (i..e an equivalent of a 488) rumoured to be launched in 2022?AM-RB 001.
500 people want 150 cars, even though the Company has already hinted at the possibility of 002.
George29 said:
Jon39 said:
The main subject raised by this topic, has not put off customers for the
AM-RB 001.
I suspect that will happen when the car doesn't meet its performance claims. AM-RB 001.
Possibly a touch of Red Bull rivalry, eh.
Sir Frank will be pleased.
I think the original claim was; as quick around Silverstone as an F1 car.
Then I heard; as quick around Silverstone as an LMP car.
That then became; the competition version, will be as quick as an LMP car.
Such future claims of course, can be especially awkward when time keeping is involved.
(I note that F1 cars are about 10 seconds quicker, than the LMPs around Spa-Francorchamps.)
BamfordMike said:
This grievance is a marketing cock up, just like in the case of V8 N400, the wider kit spun from that model which could be fitted to any V8, was simply called 'AM power upgrade kit' (I hear a top bloke designed that masterpiece which brought the company over £1m in revenue). For this kit, which is only V12VS, it should not have had any reference to GT12, not even mention in marketing that the kit was even derived from GT12 - call it V12VS power upgrade and there is no bother.
It's interesting you think Aston has issues, not surprising really seeing the huge turnover in staff over last decade, which in my opinion represents pretty much nobody instrumental in original VH launch still present. But hadn't they better get their act together? Their today's 5 year plan analysed in totality means that whilst in the last 102 ish years saw them build approx. 85k cars, between now and 2020 ish they plan to build approx. 85k cars! And for the last 5 years a number of these minor grievances (paint bubbling, discounting new prices thus effecting residuals and releasing new models which annoy previous model owners to name but a few) has occurred whilst they have only made approx. 15k cars. They plan to create a monster when they struggle to tame a Chihuahua- of course, imho
Absolutely Mike!! I love Aston Martin, but I've now lost faith. It's interesting you think Aston has issues, not surprising really seeing the huge turnover in staff over last decade, which in my opinion represents pretty much nobody instrumental in original VH launch still present. But hadn't they better get their act together? Their today's 5 year plan analysed in totality means that whilst in the last 102 ish years saw them build approx. 85k cars, between now and 2020 ish they plan to build approx. 85k cars! And for the last 5 years a number of these minor grievances (paint bubbling, discounting new prices thus effecting residuals and releasing new models which annoy previous model owners to name but a few) has occurred whilst they have only made approx. 15k cars. They plan to create a monster when they struggle to tame a Chihuahua- of course, imho
Jon39 said:
Possibly a touch of Red Bull rivalry, eh.
Sir Frank will be pleased.
I think the original claim was; as quick around Silverstone as an F1 car.
Then I heard; as quick around Silverstone as an LMP car.
That then became; the competition version, will be as quick as an LMP car.
Such future claims of course, can be especially awkward when time keeping is involved.
(I note that F1 cars are about 10 seconds quicker, than the LMPs around Spa-Francorchamps.)
Actually it is not unusual that the track car will be slower in a straight line than the street legal equivalent. That was the case with the Mcl F1 where the street legal homologated cars reached higher V-Max than the race car due to less downforce. I had a friend who owned a brace of F1s one for the track the other for his commute between Cologne and Frankfurt. The commuter car was quicker than the race car.
George29 said:
Off topic but what is the SLR like? There's an SLR roadster in my dream garage! 
I'm going to write up my experience shortly.
But long story short: it's a brilliant misunderstood car. It's a fast GT that has sporting potential. The quirkiness of the car makes it a bipolar personality car... perfectly comfortable to cruise but a bit nervous in the steering...complete animal when you put your foot down. Will post a write up.
For now here's a pic of my roadster in the garage.
Brakke said:
George29 said:
Off topic but what is the SLR like? There's an SLR roadster in my dream garage!
I'm going to write up my experience shortly.
But long story short: it's a brilliant misunderstood car. It's a fast GT that has sporting potential. The quirkiness of the car makes it a bipolar personality car... perfectly comfortable to cruise but a bit nervous in the steering...complete animal when you put your foot down. Will post a write up.
For now here's a pic of my roadster in the garage.
Brakke said:
I'm going to write up my experience shortly.
But long story short: it's a brilliant misunderstood car. It's a fast GT that has sporting potential. The quirkiness of the car makes it a bipolar personality car... perfectly comfortable to cruise but a bit nervous in the steering...complete animal when you put your foot down. Will post a write up.
For now here's a pic of my roadster in the garage.
Jon39 said:
Possibly a touch of Red Bull rivalry, eh.
Sir Frank will be pleased.
I think the original claim was; as quick around Silverstone as an F1 car.
Then I heard; as quick around Silverstone as an LMP car.
That then became; the competition version, will be as quick as an LMP car.
Such future claims of course, can be especially awkward when time keeping is involved.
(I note that F1 cars are about 10 seconds quicker, than the LMPs around Spa-Francorchamps.)
CSK1 said:
Don't tell Adrian Newey it is not possible, he might take you up for it!
It was wrong of me to say it's not possible - it obviously is as the LMP1 cars lap in that time! But even without the restrictions of the LMP1 regulations, I can't see how it can be faster when it will be compromised by being a road car. Looking at the pictures there is no wing so it's obviously heavily reliant on ground effect aero - but a road car will run too high for this to work effectively. So I guess there will be an active suspension system (adds yet more weight), and then there's all the regulations that the car will have to meet to be eligible for the road. Plus if it has 2 seats I guess they will be side by side - presumably this will affect the weight balance of the car (since it's only supposed to be 700kg) fairly drastically? Like I say, I hope they can do it as it would be good to see AM beating Ferrari/Mclaren/Lamborghini etc, but I just don't think it will be as fast as an LMP1 car, or as light as they say.Gassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff