Bridgestones v Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Discussion
Nbgring said:
Bridgestone Potenza Sport
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-UUHP-Summ...
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Sport-Aut...
Interesting. I wonder if they are going to make/import the appropriate sizes? Unlike those bhttps://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-UUHP-Summ...
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Sport-Aut...
ds at Michelin. (I'm not bitter. At all). 
idealstandard said:
I just put new PS4S on my V12V and it has transformed the car. Highly recommended
Thx, what did you use before this?I have no pre-judgement about any brand, but have the Conti SC6 now on my DBS, that are ok, have the PS4S on my daily car (S63), and have a even better experience with the PS4S. Have no recent experience with Bridgestone, only with the original ones on the DBS, and found the Conti's (SC5 back then, now the SC6) noticeably better in handling, noise, etc.
Edited by AWV12 on Thursday 8th April 15:17
LTP said:
Interesting. I wonder if they are going to make/import the appropriate sizes? Unlike those bds at Michelin. (I'm not bitter. At all).
All these sizes are available on the market!ds at Michelin. (I'm not bitter. At all). https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Bridgestone/Poten...
jon- said:
No rears for a V8VS (285/35 ZR19 if memory serves). Also need to know if they are XL, or meet the Vantage load requirement
Ken Figenus said:
Great to see Bridgestone have developed a cracking tyre at last. The reviews dont state wear but I get almost 20,000 on the fronts on the Rapide. About 10,000 rears. Not shabby. They do about 18,000 on my same weight Macan Front and about 17,000 rear
Different tyre though, will be interesting to see as Bridgestone have been awful in wear recently in return for grip.Agree - a tyre test that doesn't indicate wear rates is quite an omission in my opinion. Easy enough to do a before and after mm measurement surely?
I used to buy Falkens for a BMW 530 as they were a great tyre but they wore quite quickly so compared to more expensive Michelins they were a false economy. Wear matters as they ain't cheap these days and in these sizes - especially touchy having just paid £230 on the Macan DD due to a b nail :-(
I used to buy Falkens for a BMW 530 as they were a great tyre but they wore quite quickly so compared to more expensive Michelins they were a false economy. Wear matters as they ain't cheap these days and in these sizes - especially touchy having just paid £230 on the Macan DD due to a b nail :-(
Ken Figenus said:
Agree - a tyre test that doesn't indicate wear rates is quite an omission in my opinion. Easy enough to do a before and after mm measurement surely?
It is easy, but track wear does not correlate to real world road wear so we don't do it as it would just confuse people.Plus, on a normal test the dry tyres will have done 5 abs braking stops and 4 dry laps, so not enough to show on some tyres!
I'm still happy with the performance on the Yokohama Sport I fit a couple of years ago. Haven't got that many miles on them yet due to lockdown, but a vast improvement over the OE Bridgestones, available in all AM sizes, and approved fitment.
If Michelins are readily available in the S sizes next time I need a set, will give them a try.
If Michelins are readily available in the S sizes next time I need a set, will give them a try.
LTP said:
bogie said:
available in all AM sizes, and approved fitment.
What exactly did you mean by this bogie?bogie said:
Thats what the tyre place said the tyres in the specified sizes were " Approved fitment for AM Vantage" ...I was looking at options and Michelin not available in correct sizes, Bridgestone, Continental and Yoko were
I think they are stretching a point. As far as I know the only tyres formally approved by Aston Martin for the VH Vantage are the specific Bridgestone Potenza RE050A.But as long as they meet the size, speed and load requirement you're fine. You'll just probably have your dealer telling you the tyres are OK but not the recommended ones at the next service.
LTP said:
bogie said:
Thats what the tyre place said the tyres in the specified sizes were " Approved fitment for AM Vantage" ...I was looking at options and Michelin not available in correct sizes, Bridgestone, Continental and Yoko were
I think they are stretching a point. As far as I know the only tyres formally approved by Aston Martin for the VH Vantage are the specific Bridgestone Potenza RE050A.But as long as they meet the size, speed and load requirement you're fine. You'll just probably have your dealer telling you the tyres are OK but not the recommended ones at the next service.
So I assume the only manufacturer approved options are those in the manual; Bridgestones or Pirelli for winter
I think 'Aston Martin approved' involves AM investing a lot of time and money testing specific tyres before giving approval. They definitely couldn't approve them without testing, think of the liability they would be taking on if there was a subsequent problem.
They approved some tyres for the Vantage a decade or so ago, why would they undertake testing of another tyre now? They have nothing to gain from that investment, and improving older cars gives people less reason to swap for a newer car.
Tyres have moved on massively since Aston approved the old Bridgestones, and Aston won't look at anything new for obsolete models, so its up to owners to make their own decisions. I went for MPS4S and I'm very happy with them
They approved some tyres for the Vantage a decade or so ago, why would they undertake testing of another tyre now? They have nothing to gain from that investment, and improving older cars gives people less reason to swap for a newer car.
Tyres have moved on massively since Aston approved the old Bridgestones, and Aston won't look at anything new for obsolete models, so its up to owners to make their own decisions. I went for MPS4S and I'm very happy with them
MichaelV8V said:
I think 'Aston Martin approved' involves AM investing a lot of time and money testing specific tyres before giving approval.
Actually I think it's more that the OEM works with a particular tyre manufacturer to "tune" one of their tyres to give the characteristics that the OEM is after by playing with the rubber formulation, etc. For instance, they might trade wet grip for long life, or noise for sportier handling. This is why you can get two versions of the Bridgestone Potenzas in the Vantage sizes - one of them is designated "Aston Martin", the other is the original starting point, as developed by Bridgestone for general sale.But you are right in that this takes time and money from both sides. As an aside, you may have recently noticed that some of the camo used on new models before launch sometimes has a tyre maker's name on it - this way the tyre manufacturer gets a marketing benefit and the OEM gets a discount to partly defray the costs.
I also agree that the starting point for the "approved" AML tyres for VH models was now a long time ago and better technology is now available.
MichaelV8V said:
I think 'Aston Martin approved' involves AM investing a lot of time and money testing specific tyres before giving approval. They definitely couldn't approve them without testing, think of the liability they would be taking on if there was a subsequent problem.
They approved some tyres for the Vantage a decade or so ago, why would they undertake testing of another tyre now? They have nothing to gain from that investment, and improving older cars gives people less reason to swap for a newer car.
Tyres have moved on massively since Aston approved the old Bridgestones, and Aston won't look at anything new for obsolete models, so its up to owners to make their own decisions. I went for MPS4S and I'm very happy with them
They approved some tyres for the Vantage a decade or so ago, why would they undertake testing of another tyre now? They have nothing to gain from that investment, and improving older cars gives people less reason to swap for a newer car.
Tyres have moved on massively since Aston approved the old Bridgestones, and Aston won't look at anything new for obsolete models, so its up to owners to make their own decisions. I went for MPS4S and I'm very happy with them
LTP said:
Actually I think it's more that the OEM works with a particular tyre manufacturer to "tune" one of their tyres to give the characteristics that the OEM is after by playing with the rubber formulation, etc. For instance, they might trade wet grip for long life, or noise for sportier handling. This is why you can get two versions of the Bridgestone Potenzas in the Vantage sizes - one of them is designated "Aston Martin", the other is the original starting point, as developed by Bridgestone for general sale.
But you are right in that this takes time and money from both sides. As an aside, you may have recently noticed that some of the camo used on new models before launch sometimes has a tyre maker's name on it - this way the tyre manufacturer gets a marketing benefit and the OEM gets a discount to partly defray the costs.
I also agree that the starting point for the "approved" AML tyres for VH models was now a long time ago and better technology is now available.
I think both you are right. For some time after the car's launch, the tuned tyre is the best choice. But there will be a point in time where the R&D and innovation put in other, new generation tyres will overtake the benefits of the bespoke one and from that point, it's exponential.But you are right in that this takes time and money from both sides. As an aside, you may have recently noticed that some of the camo used on new models before launch sometimes has a tyre maker's name on it - this way the tyre manufacturer gets a marketing benefit and the OEM gets a discount to partly defray the costs.
I also agree that the starting point for the "approved" AML tyres for VH models was now a long time ago and better technology is now available.
MichaelV8V said:
I think 'Aston Martin approved' involves AM investing a lot of time and money testing specific tyres before giving approval. They definitely couldn't approve them without testing, think of the liability they would be taking on if there was a subsequent problem.
They approved some tyres for the Vantage a decade or so ago, why would they undertake testing of another tyre now? They have nothing to gain from that investment, and improving older cars gives people less reason to swap for a newer car.
Tyres have moved on massively since Aston approved the old Bridgestones, and Aston won't look at anything new for obsolete models, so its up to owners to make their own decisions. I went for MPS4S and I'm very happy with them
I believe that 'approved' is the wrong label. They may recommend - but as soon as I drive a new Aston Martin off the dealer´s premises I am free to choose any tyre brand meeting the requirements (size, load and speed index). That cannot affect guarantee or insurance. They approved some tyres for the Vantage a decade or so ago, why would they undertake testing of another tyre now? They have nothing to gain from that investment, and improving older cars gives people less reason to swap for a newer car.
Tyres have moved on massively since Aston approved the old Bridgestones, and Aston won't look at anything new for obsolete models, so its up to owners to make their own decisions. I went for MPS4S and I'm very happy with them
The tyre manufacturers are willing to cooperate in this deal of testing and setting up a specific fine tuned option of their performance tyre because this helps them to get a much bigger chunk of the replacement market. That is the reason why they sell tyres at extremely low prices to the manufacturers.
For any replacement situation I would recommend to review independent tyre tests and reviews. These show recently that the new Bridgestone, the Michelin and the Continental tyres are pretty much on the same level. Therefore I would go with any of these brands if the right size is available. For a relatively new car (DB11, DBSS, new Vantage) I would choose the recently recommended original manufacturer, because these are 'fresh' models not yet obsolete due to advanced technology.
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