Bridgestones v Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

[Moonhawk]

Had PS4s fitted to mine this week - still wearing them in - but all good so far, much more grip in the dry - haven't tried them in the wet yet.

[nickv8]

Hope this isn't a Q that's been answered repeatedly, but scanning through this and other threads, I can't see a recent answer...

Are Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S tyres available in V8V / V8VS front and rears?

For reference, the OEM Bridgestone Potenza's still on my 2014 V8V are:

285/35 ZR19 (99Y)
245/40 ZR19 (94Y)

I see on Blackcircles and Michelin's sites that the 245's are only available as Michelin Pilot Sport 4, the "S" being availble in the 285.

Frustratingly, Michelin only produce the 285 size as Pilot Super Sport and PS4S, not PS4.

Do other owners still reckon that the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres are superior to alternatives which include:

- Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3
- Continental Sport Contact 6
- Yokohama Advan Sport V105S

I'm not very happy with mixing PS4S (rear) and PS4 (front) unless others have done this and not found any major issue.

All thoughts appreciated!

Edited by nickv8 on Tuesday 10th April 13:24

Edited by nickv8 on Tuesday 10th April 15:30

[Big E 118]

nickv8 said:

Do other owners still reckon that the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres are superior to alternatives which include:

- Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3
- Continental Sport Contact 6
- Yokohama Advan Sport V105S


All thoughts appreciated!

Edited by nickv8 on Tuesday 10th April 13:24

I've just been through this dilema! You can't get PS4S's in the front tyre size for V8VS in the UK.

I went with the Conti's and have found them pretty good so far (only 1 enthusiastic drive!) and make the ride far more compliant. I had PS4S's on my 911 and really liked those and I would say the Conti's have similar dry grip levels although difficult to compare the handing of a 911 to a V8VS.

From the reviews I read the Conti's wear quickly but they were cheaper than the Michelins and quick wear isn't an issue for me.

[Phil57DBS]

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[jonby]

I almost always ran Corsas on my V12V and whilst there is no question that they are a handful in the wet and/or cold, there is equally no question they are brilliant in hot/dry conditions. I would guess that corsas are more of a handful in daily use conditions on a heavy front engined Aston than say a mid engined lighter Ferrari or Porsche, which seem to cope with daily use of corsas far better based owners' postings

I also believe that whilst Pirelli regularly update the spec of their tyres, the AM designated tyres (corsas and regular p zero) for V12V/V12VS have not been updated in spec since first launched on V12V, which means they are now quite an old design/spec which surely doesnt help. Would be interesting to potentially explore using the latest non-AM designated Pirellis and see how much difference there is.

I'm currently running p zeros (not corsas) on my V12VS - I've noticed the ride is significantly better than on my V12V with corsas, but I assume that's mostly if not all down to the upgraded suspension

I've also noticed traction is considerably poorer in the V12VS than on my old V12V, which I'm guessing is down to the tyres not being corsas

The problem with all this is that with so many variables, it's difficult to pin down which changes lead to which benefits or donwsides

But I've planned for some time on replacing the pirelli p zeros on my V12VS to PS4S as soon as my tyres need replacing as they simply have so many fans and I've not heard any downsides

[nickv8]

Thanks BigE, Phil and jonby for your messages!

I want to clarify that my Vantage runs in all conditions. I only draw the line if the salters have been out in the previous 48hrs.

The car’s never used for commuting (legs do that job!) so it’s always for fun.

I’m surrounded by countryside and the Vantage often wonders down pot-marked grass-lined single tracks when I simply want to get “lost”

For these reasons I tried to steer clear from Pirelli’s P Zeros. I know they have a great reputation in the dry, but not in the wet (could be wrong with their latest offerings!).

IMHO, a compliant ride allows me to get the most from the performance as outright grip and “on the limit handling” (that’s reserved for the track one day...). By not bouncing or shimmying off the black top, I get more confidence and fun.

But I don’t drive with string-backed gloves LOL!

With this additional info, perhaps the full PS4S is wasted on me?

[jonby]

nickv8 said:

With this additional info, perhaps the full PS4S is wasted on me?

Whether with Astons or other cars, all I seem to hear is good things about PS4S in all conditions

[Big E 118]

jonby said:

nickv8 said:

With this additional info, perhaps the full PS4S is wasted on me?

Whether with Astons or other cars, all I seem to hear is good things about PS4S in all conditions

My 911 tyres went from Porsche OEM Bridgestones - Michelin Cup 2 - PS4S.

PS4S was very nearly as good as the Cup 2 in the dry and better than both in the wet.

[R129 300SL]

Had Michelin Pilot Super Sports fitted to my DB9 yesterday.

Vast improvement over Bridgestone RE050A AM9. Lot more compliant over bumps and quieter. Stuck with original sizes but the Tyres appear to be a touch wider probably due to squared shoulder design.

[PantsFire]

I swapped from Pirelli P Zero to Pilot Sport 4S on my 911 and noticed a reduction in road noise, people on the Rennlist forum who'd run them longer noted the wore better too. I'm planning to get the P Zero's checked on my Vanquish on Thursday to see how long they've got left, I'm thinking of switching to Michelin again.

[nickv8]

Good to read such positive things about the PS4S tyres!

Still a problem for the many of us on smaller V8V / V8VS size alloys

[jon-]

nickv8 said:

Good to read such positive things about the PS4S tyres!

Still a problem for the many of us on smaller V8V / V8VS size alloys

Are there PS4 sizes available? Unless you're doing track work there shouldn't be a huge difference (I'll be doing the test next month hopefully)

[prefurbia]

I switched over to PSS tires on the 20" wheels I had on my V8 Vantage - world of difference - when my tires wear on my V12S I'll switch to them

[Jon39]

Mention of some PS4S sizes being unavailable to suit Vantage models, led me to look up the sizes for my car.

For the early 4.7 cars, it does appear that Michelin fronts and rears are available in the UK.

Front 235/40 ZR 19 (92Y)
Rear 275/35 ZR 19 (96Y)

It is mentioned further up this page, that the later 4.7 V8V has slightly wider tyres ( F 245, R 285 ).
I don't know, but perhaps that change was from MY 2012.25, when quite a number of changes took place.
Does that therefore mean the wider tyres are on wider wheels, or did the wheels remain the same sizes as before ?

Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 10th April 19:54

[nickv8]

jon- said:

Are there PS4 sizes available? Unless you're doing track work there shouldn't be a huge difference (I'll be doing the test next month hopefully)

Useful to know that for road use, there isn't much in it with PS4 and PS4S.

But what about having PS4S on the read and PS4 on the front? (At present I think it's the only way to accomodate the V8VS alloys). Would it unbalance things? If so, I'm starting to err towards another good brand to be safe.

[nickv8]

Jon39 said:

Mention of some PS4S sizes being unavailable to suit Vantage models, led me to look up the sizes for my car.

For the early 4.7 cars, it does appear that Michelin fronts and rears are available in the UK.

Front 235/40 ZR 19 (92Y)
Rear 275/35 ZR 19 (96Y)

It is mentioned further up this page, that the later 4.7 V8V has slightly wider tyres ( F 245, R 285 ).
I don't know, but perhaps that change was from MY 2012.25, when quite a number of changes took place.
Does that therefore mean the wider tyres are on wider wheels, or did the wheels remain the same sizes as before ?

I think that my V8V comes with the "lightweight" V8VS alloys. From around 2012 onwards this seemed to be standard practice from when I was looking around over a year ago. It's one of the reasons I chose the 2012+ MY as it had virtually everyting mechanically found on on the "S" spec (steering rack, suspension, larger duck tail spoiler). It just didn't have the extra 10bhp.

Unfortunately these wheel sizes don't appear to be as common - at least not at Michelin's HQ...

[jon-]

nickv8 said:

jon- said:

Are there PS4 sizes available? Unless you're doing track work there shouldn't be a huge difference (I'll be doing the test next month hopefully)

Useful to know that for road use, there isn't much in it with PS4 and PS4S.

But what about having PS4S on the read and PS4 on the front? (At present I think it's the only way to accomodate the V8VS alloys). Would it unbalance things? If so, I'm starting to err towards another good brand to be safe.

Agreed, I wouldn't really want to mix fitment.

What sizes do you run?

[nickv8]

jon- said:

Agreed, I wouldn't really want to mix fitment.

What sizes do you run?

Hi Jon - I run on the V8VS wheels:

285/35 ZR19 (99Y)
245/40 ZR19 (94Y)

[nickv8]

Going by Blackcircles, it appears my choice is...

Continental Sport Contact 6
Yokohama Advan Sport V105S

...if I want matching front-rear. Which I do!

The Yokos were rated by Evo magazine (which I did read avidly until last year) so may be the ones to go for.

Anybody else use these in all weather conditions?

Thanks!

[Jon39]

What are the wheel widths of ;
1) the early 4.7 cars.
2) the V8VS and later V8V ?

As 2) have wider section tyres, I presume the wheels are also wider.
If the wheels did remain the same, then the available PS4S could be used for V8VS cars.

Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 11th April 08:56