Vantage V12S performance upgrade

[AdamV12V]

I can still say that for the relatively modest cost the Quicksilver straight through cat bypass pipes give a V12VS an epic sound upgrade!

Kermit has the QS bypass and the fuse removed all the time and now with 1300 miles on he is really starting to crack, pops and snarl like a beast. I've recently noticed that with AM Shift on the crackles and pops are even more enhanced!

Best £800 I've spent in a long time! I'm not knocking the AM official upgrade as I am sure it is amazing, but in terms of value for money...

[AdamV12V]

This might just be a youtube clip of the V12VS Factory Performance pack upgrade?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHBNGXyOtGQ

[Andys1000]

New power upgrade is being offered by Works to S clients shortly, will have 600bhp and a GT8 stylie exhaust - driving it tomorrow - will see if I can get a video if it 😀

[CSK1]

I was quoted for the "Performance Pack II" which surprised me. This probably explains the first iteration of the Performance Pack being no longer available, replaced by the new version.
I'm doing a Track Day organised by AML France tomorrow and will get more info on this.
GT8/GT12 style exhaust would be great news!

[AdamV12V]

Is the new version still £12,500 ???

[Ex Boy Racer]

AdamV12V said:

This might just be a youtube clip of the V12VS Factory Performance pack upgrade?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHBNGXyOtGQ

How much does it cost to go so slow?

[CSK1]

In Euros: €26.233,24 is the official price in France. It went up this year from €23,500 last November!

[IanV12VR]

AdamV12V said:

Is the new version still £12,500 ???

I looked at this back in April so it probably covered the previous Performance Pack but was quoted £14,995 + VAT fitted! So it looks like PP2 could be a bargain!

Never had I ever disregarded something as quickly as this. Instead I went for removal of the secondary cats for £750 including VAT and fitting. Love the additional noise, cracks and pops on overrun. One happy boy!

[jonby]

CSK1 said:

I was quoted for the "Performance Pack II" which surprised me. This probably explains the first iteration of the Performance Pack being no longer available, replaced by the new version.
I'm doing a Track Day organised by AML France tomorrow and will get more info on this.
GT8/GT12 style exhaust would be great news!

As I understand it there are 4 elements to the pack: the power increase comes from the revised inlet manifolds and rear cat delete, the titanium element is the most costly element which saves weight and adds noise/pitch but doesn't affect power and the primary reason for the new rear lower valance is because the titanium backbox is a little deeper than the standard box so it needs a new part to accommodate the size

I was told the new valance is not in CF because of concerns about heat of titanium on painted parts which was a reasonable question I saw posted on here a while back

Would be interested if all this could be confirmed. As I see it, they could theoretically offer the pack without the titanium element, which would also negate the need for the new rear valance, but that would be much cheaper for the same power advantage and I can see why they don't want to do that

I'd be interested to understand the difference between Mk1 and Mk2 and also, I know the rear cats are deleted in this pack, but do you know if they are replaced with damped pipes or straight thru pipes ? There is a startling lack of info on the tech specs of this pack for something so expensive......

[jonby]

quench said:

So it is for certain the exact same intake manifold and exhaust setup as the GT12?

Would be really nice to know if there are any REAL picture out there of the diffuser. From the sketch on page 5 of that thread, it looks identical to the regular item, save that the lower piece is now dark (carbon fibre?) as opposed to painted. I wonder if the new diffuser is mandatory with the titanium exhaust or whether we are permitted to use our regular diffuser still?

It can't be the same, as GT12 has more centrally exiting pipes from a different shape box. Powerwise, the quoted specs are the same

Interestingly Vanquish S (and Zagato Vanquish), which don't have the titanium pipes/box, has the same 600ps power output as GT12, I assume from the revised inlet manifold and rear cat delete. As per my post above, the titanium element doesn't have an effect on power as I understand it

Am sure BR offer something fairly similar and as it's not titanium, it's far, far cheaper

However if you look at titanium in the aftermarket, Quicksilver charge £9,300 solely for a V12V replacement titanium backbox (compared to less than £2k for the same item from QS in stainless), so not including the various additional pipework in the Aston power pack, or the cat delete, or the new inlet manifold

[Glendower]

M5MarkM said:

I've got the quicksilver on my DB9V and the full Larini system on my Vanquish S. I must say I prefer the Larini. For the Vanquish S I've got a secondary CAT deletion and the Larini race pipes followed by the sports centre section. I've not actually bothered putting the car on a rolloing road yet, not really sure I trust most of the rolling road data out there. In theory this does produce more power and more torque but in all honestly I can't feel the differance, 600bhp to say 630bhp wasn;t really noticeable as I was without the car for a few days and driving my DD BMW750. I COULD tell the differance in the sound and it's very good

Yeah I had the Larini exhaust on my Vantage V8, was defo louder but not sure faster. I then had Bamford rose manifold and Sports exhaust and the difference was noticeable......I am interested in more poke, so thanks for your post. Seems like not many V12's have "proven " performance, am happy enough with the sound of the V12S....

[CSK1]

Andys1000 said:

New power upgrade is being offered by Works to S clients shortly, will have 600bhp and a GT8 stylie exhaust - driving it tomorrow - will see if I can get a video if it ??

So, did you actually see how the new Performance Pack II looks like? Is there a GT8 style exhaust, any pictures? Did you drive it?
Spoke to my dealer at the Track Day yesterday, he wasn't aware of a new Performance Pack with GT8 style exhaust.
If this is confirmed I'd wait for it to be available in France.

[jonby]

CSK1 said:

Andys1000 said:

New power upgrade is being offered by Works to S clients shortly, will have 600bhp and a GT8 stylie exhaust - driving it tomorrow - will see if I can get a video if it ??

So, did you actually see how the new Performance Pack II looks like? Is there a GT8 style exhaust, any pictures? Did you drive it?
Spoke to my dealer at the Track Day yesterday, he wasn't aware of a new Performance Pack with GT8 style exhaust.
If this is confirmed I'd wait for it to be available in France.

I had assumed when I read GT8 'style' that meant style as in the way it works, not the way it looks. Interested to hear more

[RobDown]

Check Lord Duxfords brief upload on Instagram. It's a brief clip of a car with the upgrade. Essentially more power and more noise

[AdamV12V]

RobDown said:

Check Lord Duxfords brief upload on Instagram. It's a brief clip of a car with the upgrade. Essentially more power and more noise

Gimme a clue, I can't find Lord Duxford, let alone his instagram page using google. Do you have a link please?

[Quarterly]

Hi Adam, this is my page https://www.instagram.com/lord_duxford/

I was at Pangbourne yesterday with Andy and he's just posted an excellent Youtube video here. Enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mK9LX5GrDk

[AdamV12V]

Quarterly said:

Hi Adam, this is my page https://www.instagram.com/lord_duxford/

I was at Pangbourne yesterday with Andy and he's just posted an excellent Youtube video here. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mK9LX5GrDk

Very nice sound, but I'd be interested to compare that to a V12VS with a cat bypass - I'm not sure mine sounds a whole lot different to that...

Anyway, I,m not that the power is the main point of this upgrade I'm sure, but does anybody know how the quoted output of 600BHP equates to the three levels of output from the V12VS?
i.e.:

• 565BHP pre MY17
• 563BHP MY17 without Sport Plus Pack
• 568BHP MY17 with Sport Plus Pack

It just seems odd to me that they quote a single 600BHP figure for a car that already has 3, albeit similar baseline outputs. I wonder if the Performance Pack includes the Sport Pack Plus upgrade - in which case at £18,000 its a far better prospect for those MY17 model owners who didn't spend the £6000 on the Sport Pack Plus, than those who did!

[Andys1000]

CSK1 said:

So, did you actually see how the new Performance Pack II looks like? Is there a GT8 style exhaust, any pictures? Did you drive it?
Spoke to my dealer at the Track Day yesterday, he wasn't aware of a new Performance Pack with GT8 style exhaust.
If this is confirmed I'd wait for it to be available in France.

Hi CSK,

I did drive it and yes it does have a Titanuim exhaust a la GT12 and GT8, it also geta number of other tasty upgrades including carbon louvres for the rear, new exhaust manifold and more agressive re-map of the engine - It is basically to please those who wanted aGT12 but did not get one...

It is very aggresive to drive, I had a go in it for 20 mins or so, it is bloody loud especially with the windows open - not sure if it will be too loud on the Roadster, but for the coupe I would say its a no brainer...

It was difficult to recognise the extra power particularly as the car I drove had the Sportshift which I had not driven before and I think I was often changing up too early or too late - I'm better with the old fashioned box :-)

It really bangs the power down and the sound is closer to Nascars than V12 vantage - it has an extra rash at the top end of the range which is just epic...

[jonby]

AdamV12V said:

Quarterly said:

Hi Adam, this is my page https://www.instagram.com/lord_duxford/

I was at Pangbourne yesterday with Andy and he's just posted an excellent Youtube video here. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mK9LX5GrDk

Very nice sound, but I'd be interested to compare that to a V12VS with a cat bypass - I'm not sure mine sounds a whole lot different to that...

Anyway, I,m not that the power is the main point of this upgrade I'm sure, but does anybody know how the quoted output of 600BHP equates to the three levels of output from the V12VS?
i.e.:

• 565BHP pre MY17
• 563BHP MY17 without Sport Plus Pack
• 568BHP MY17 with Sport Plus Pack

It just seems odd to me that they quote a single 600BHP figure for a car that already has 3, albeit similar baseline outputs. I wonder if the Performance Pack includes the Sport Pack Plus upgrade - in which case at £18,000 its a far better prospect for those MY17 model owners who didn't spend the £6000 on the Sport Pack Plus, than those who did!

I understood it takes it to 595bhp, 600ps

[IanV12VR]

AdamV12V said:

Very nice sound, but I'd be interested to compare that to a V12VS with a cat bypass - I'm not sure mine sounds a whole lot different to that...

Anyway, I,m not that the power is the main point of this upgrade I'm sure, but does anybody know how the quoted output of 600BHP equates to the three levels of output from the V12VS?
i.e.:

• 565BHP pre MY17
• 563BHP MY17 without Sport Plus Pack
• 568BHP MY17 with Sport Plus Pack

It just seems odd to me that they quote a single 600BHP figure for a car that already has 3, albeit similar baseline outputs. I wonder if the Performance Pack includes the Sport Pack Plus upgrade - in which case at £18,000 its a far better prospect for those MY17 model owners who didn't spend the £6000 on the Sport Pack Plus, than those who did!

I think the power quote is inaccurate. Everything I have seen about this quotes a power output of 595bhp or 600hp. That would be a 30bhp hike made up from the new manifold and de cat. As Jonby said the titanium exhaust adds little other than noise. Still think it is a very expensive option and agree with your point on the noise of the cars with the de cat.