Vantage V12S performance upgrade
Discussion
are those Vantage 5.0/6.0 V12 engines the same in the base?
The 517ps and 572ps and 603ps all NA
Of course, you can chiptune a bit out the base 517ps version to get 542ps (+25ps)
but what do you have to change, if you want the S version power out your 517ps version (2009-2011), say the 572ps or even the 603ps power out the 517ps base engine?
The 517ps and 572ps and 603ps all NA
Of course, you can chiptune a bit out the base 517ps version to get 542ps (+25ps)
but what do you have to change, if you want the S version power out your 517ps version (2009-2011), say the 572ps or even the 603ps power out the 517ps base engine?
GTRene said:
are those Vantage 5.0/6.0 V12 engines the same in the base?
The 517ps and 572ps and 603ps all NA
Of course, you can chiptune a bit out the base 517ps version to get 542ps (+25ps)
but what do you have to change, if you want the S version power out your 517ps version (2009-2011), say the 572ps or even the 603ps power out the 517ps base engine?
Yes they are the same at the base level, but a number of substantial improvements / changes made to get the 565bhp and 595 bhp spec out of the engine. I imagine it would be more cost effective to sell your old V12V and buy a V12VS than attempt to upgrade the engine to OEM later output, with proper parts.The 517ps and 572ps and 603ps all NA
Of course, you can chiptune a bit out the base 517ps version to get 542ps (+25ps)
but what do you have to change, if you want the S version power out your 517ps version (2009-2011), say the 572ps or even the 603ps power out the 517ps base engine?
so not a cheap option, but a engine swap with a S or S+ version would even be more expensive?
but what is then a not so expensive option for a 517ps base version.
exhaust headers + front cat delete X-pipe + inlet filters + good chip tune? could give around 550ps
the cat delete X-pipe is about 1500$ I saw, combine that with chip tune and filters about 2500 or so, I guess exhaust headers could be pricy when you can not do such yourself?
around 550hp would not be so bad, not worth to throw another (no idea how much) 15-17k? or so? to go to the top Vantage V12 OEM levels.
but what is then a not so expensive option for a 517ps base version.
exhaust headers + front cat delete X-pipe + inlet filters + good chip tune? could give around 550ps
the cat delete X-pipe is about 1500$ I saw, combine that with chip tune and filters about 2500 or so, I guess exhaust headers could be pricy when you can not do such yourself?
around 550hp would not be so bad, not worth to throw another (no idea how much) 15-17k? or so? to go to the top Vantage V12 OEM levels.
GTRene said:
so not a cheap option, but a engine swap with a S or S+ version would even be more expensive?
but what is then a not so expensive option for a 517ps base version.
exhaust headers + front cat delete X-pipe + inlet filters + good chip tune? could give around 550ps
the cat delete X-pipe is about 1500$ I saw, combine that with chip tune and filters about 2500 or so, I guess exhaust headers could be pricy when you can not do such yourself?
around 550hp would not be so bad, not worth to throw another (no idea how much) 15-17k? or so? to go to the top Vantage V12 OEM levels.
I wasnt suggesting an engine swap, rather to simply sell your V12V and buy a V12VS instead.but what is then a not so expensive option for a 517ps base version.
exhaust headers + front cat delete X-pipe + inlet filters + good chip tune? could give around 550ps
the cat delete X-pipe is about 1500$ I saw, combine that with chip tune and filters about 2500 or so, I guess exhaust headers could be pricy when you can not do such yourself?
around 550hp would not be so bad, not worth to throw another (no idea how much) 15-17k? or so? to go to the top Vantage V12 OEM levels.
The upgrade on a V12VS from 565bhp to 595bhp is over £18k GBP, not sure what the cost would be in the USA. You seem to be mixing up OEM spec figures however with aftermarket mods. They are different. Aftermarket will give you more bang for the buck, but wont give you the official OEM spec that you were asking about.
The best value upgrade for sure is a secondary decat. Chip tunes on the 510bhp engine are somewhat more debatable. The engine lacked the later bosch engine mgmt system for one which included a knock sensor and allowed the engine to take advantage of higher octane fuels, thus increasing BHP subject to using that fuel of course. Without it, you are limited to 95RON, which will hamper your max output.
AdamV12V said:
I wasnt suggesting an engine swap, rather to simply sell your V12V and buy a V12VS instead.
The upgrade on a V12VS from 565bhp to 595bhp is over £18k GBP, not sure what the cost would be in the USA. You seem to be mixing up OEM spec figures however with aftermarket mods. They are different. Aftermarket will give you more bang for the buck, but wont give you the official OEM spec that you were asking about.
The best value upgrade for sure is a secondary decat. Chip tunes on the 510bhp engine are somewhat more debatable. The engine lacked the later bosch engine mgmt system for one which included a knock sensor and allowed the engine to take advantage of higher octane fuels, thus increasing BHP subject to using that fuel of course. Without it, you are limited to 95RON, which will hamper your max output.
Thanks and yes, thats what I meant by the swap, swap the V12v for a V12s, for me if the V12v was still in top condition, I would not do such, the base engine is (I guess) a good engine, so then I would settle with a bit less hp and would do some 'tuning' like you also mentioned.The upgrade on a V12VS from 565bhp to 595bhp is over £18k GBP, not sure what the cost would be in the USA. You seem to be mixing up OEM spec figures however with aftermarket mods. They are different. Aftermarket will give you more bang for the buck, but wont give you the official OEM spec that you were asking about.
The best value upgrade for sure is a secondary decat. Chip tunes on the 510bhp engine are somewhat more debatable. The engine lacked the later bosch engine mgmt system for one which included a knock sensor and allowed the engine to take advantage of higher octane fuels, thus increasing BHP subject to using that fuel of course. Without it, you are limited to 95RON, which will hamper your max output.
Yesterday I also did some searches wich you also mentioned, the later s versions have other ECU, read this, also mentions some differences.
story said:
V12 Vantage S
The AM28 engine has a power increase of 55 bhp from 510 bhp to 565 bhp, matching the new Vanquish.
Of greater real-world significance is the immediate increase in torque when pulling away from only 1000 rpm where an additional 70 Nm is available versus the V12 Vantage. A new and advanced Bosch engine management system (unique to the ‘S’) controls AM28 alongside the debut of Dual Variable Camshaft Timing and knock-sensing – all improving efficiency and engine capability.
This makes the car considerably quicker both when accelerating from stand-still and through the gears.
Special attention has been paid to achieve greater aerodynamic efficiency to both aid cooling and increase vital downforce.
V12 Vantage S Performance Pack
The optional V12 S Performance Pack delivers a potential power upgrade of up to 30bhp. Magnesium manifolds coupled with a full length titanium exhaust produce increased performance with a spectacular soundtrack.
The all-new carbon fibre diffuser blade completes this pack by giving the V12 Vantage S an even sportier look.
The all new titanium exhaust system downstream of the manifolds incorpotares within the system is a new design muffler developed using technology from the Aston Martin GT12, with improved gas flow which has been optimised to work in synergy with the new magnesium inlet manifolds to achieve maximum torque and power output improvements.
Overall, the titanium exhaust system is almost 14 kg lighter than the standard steel V12 S system.
The V12S performance pack also includes brand new cast magnesium inlet manifolds.
The new design inlet manifold has enhanced airflow routing through internal fencing that increases air speed via a Venturi effect to provide more air to the inlet chamber as well as more evenly distributing air across the cylinder heads.
As a result, there is improved response and power distribution through the engine speed range.
Replacing the standard aluminium manifolds with lightweight magnesium also saves 1.6 kg.
Also included in the V12S performance pack is a brand new carbon fibre lower rear diffuser.
The vertical vanes help to manage the transition of airflow as it exits from underneath a car, and smooths flow around the new titanium muffler, reducing drag and turbulence.
The full visual quality carbon fiber completes the look and links back to Aston Martin’s GT products.
The Aston Martin Performance Pack was initially only available for V12 Vantage S models with the Sportshift III transmission but it is now available for the dog-leg manual too.
I wonder, those base seats, with all luxes, those must be heavy compared to the lightweight carbon seats, what is the difference in weight, does anyone know that? is it, say like my BMW Z3 s65 about 25 kilo (both seats) difference? that also gives a better power to eight ratio if your looking for such.
GTRene said:
btw, I also like the carbon bucket seats, some have them, most not and seems a very expensive part if you want the real deal.
I wonder, those base seats, with all luxes, those must be heavy compared to the lightweight carbon seats, what is the difference in weight, does anyone know that? is it, say like my BMW Z3 s65 about 25 kilo (both seats) difference? that also gives a better power to eight ratio if your looking for such.
17KG was the stated weight saving for the lightweight seats over the std "comfort" sports seats.I wonder, those base seats, with all luxes, those must be heavy compared to the lightweight carbon seats, what is the difference in weight, does anyone know that? is it, say like my BMW Z3 s65 about 25 kilo (both seats) difference? that also gives a better power to eight ratio if your looking for such.
More important really than the weight saving is the way they feel and connect you to the car. They make a huge difference, and many people, including me, view them as essential to the V12V(S) experience. They are way more comfortable too.
They were £2500 to spec at new, but cost 3x that to swap them in afterwards.
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