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Sorry, I've only snatched a quick photo of that page from the dealer manual.
I hear you on the colour scheme, still think I might go for Diavolo Red instead
I would be surprised if they sold all 200 of the V8 versions, think Jonby might be right in that they ultimately prove to be the rarer of the two cars
I hear you on the colour scheme, still think I might go for Diavolo Red instead
I would be surprised if they sold all 200 of the V8 versions, think Jonby might be right in that they ultimately prove to be the rarer of the two cars
Quite...Even being what one might call an Aston 'fanboy' I'm getting frustrated...how are informed potential purchasers supposed to make decisions with important ambiguities like this...rushed to market I would say without enough QA. I'm getting a touch concerned that the new AP era is proving a bit much for the organisation...
And I note that the PP is now quoted as 595hp (+32) magically up by 2 compared with previous/current other data sheets! More marketing up over real engineering??
And I note that the PP is now quoted as 595hp (+32) magically up by 2 compared with previous/current other data sheets! More marketing up over real engineering??
My understanding was that AMV V12 Vantage did include the Titanium Exhaust - well in fact the full performance pack but just NOT the CF diffuser blade - that said more than one person have already posted that they have been told it is a steel exhaust - I think Jonby's explanation seemed the most clear, and plausible - and quite probably accurate.
Have a look at the pics on the main AMR webpage below where they show the three wheels options - clearly no CF rear diffuser.
Vantage AMR - Highlights - Wheels
That said - the page you posted earlier (full copy below) does indeed clearly state the AMR Performance Package is included in V12 AMR Vantage
Have a look at the pics on the main AMR webpage below where they show the three wheels options - clearly no CF rear diffuser.
Vantage AMR - Highlights - Wheels
That said - the page you posted earlier (full copy below) does indeed clearly state the AMR Performance Package is included in V12 AMR Vantage
It's not well written but the confusion is from the expression 'power upgrade is standard on amr'
The power upgrade element is standard on amr, the titanium is not. Titanium adds no power - it's just weight and noise
Titanium on amr cars which includes the cf blade, is 9k plus vat plus fitting
You can't have titanium without the cf blade, which is a touch deeper than standard one, to accommodate the ti box which is slightly deeper
All this info comes direct from vantage product development at gaydon
The power upgrade element is standard on amr, the titanium is not. Titanium adds no power - it's just weight and noise
Titanium on amr cars which includes the cf blade, is 9k plus vat plus fitting
You can't have titanium without the cf blade, which is a touch deeper than standard one, to accommodate the ti box which is slightly deeper
All this info comes direct from vantage product development at gaydon
Yeah, the "power upgrade" vs "performance pack" statement is the problem.
Click the 'Engine' drop-down and it says steel exhaust is standard on both the V8 and V12 Vantage AMR:
http://www.astonmartin.com/en/cars/the-vantage-ran...
"•Stainless steel exhaust system with active bypass valves"
Click the 'Engine' drop-down and it says steel exhaust is standard on both the V8 and V12 Vantage AMR:
http://www.astonmartin.com/en/cars/the-vantage-ran...
"•Stainless steel exhaust system with active bypass valves"
Edited by telum01 on Thursday 15th June 23:06
Pauses for thought - OK, so is the "Power Upgrade" available for a V12VS?
Presumably it would be for £12,495 (for the Performance Pack) less the £8,995 (for the Titanium Exhaust and CF blade) which is just £3500 +VAT +fitting!
Now that's a very tempting offer, the full 595 BHP of a GT12 combined with the sound from my existing cat bypass, for a fraction of the cost.
Just have to live with those plain black magnesium manifolds!
Presumably it would be for £12,495 (for the Performance Pack) less the £8,995 (for the Titanium Exhaust and CF blade) which is just £3500 +VAT +fitting!
Now that's a very tempting offer, the full 595 BHP of a GT12 combined with the sound from my existing cat bypass, for a fraction of the cost.
Just have to live with those plain black magnesium manifolds!
AdamV12V said:
Pauses for thought - OK, so is the "Power Upgrade" available for a V12VS?
Presumably it would be for £12,495 (for the Performance Pack) less the £8,995 (for the Titanium Exhaust and CF blade) which is just £3500 +VAT +fitting!
Now that's a very tempting offer, the full 595 BHP of a GT12 combined with the sound from my existing cat bypass, for a fraction of the cost.
Just have to live with those plain black magnesium manifolds!
Nice theory, but I believe currently, the dealer fit kit has to be the whole thing inc exhaust. Presumably it would be for £12,495 (for the Performance Pack) less the £8,995 (for the Titanium Exhaust and CF blade) which is just £3500 +VAT +fitting!
Now that's a very tempting offer, the full 595 BHP of a GT12 combined with the sound from my existing cat bypass, for a fraction of the cost.
Just have to live with those plain black magnesium manifolds!
Upperworks said:
AdamV12V said:
One more question then Jonby - so the AMR V12 Vantage still has secondary cats still fitted along with the steel exhaust, yet still achieves 595BHP?
i.e. its the magnesium manifolds alone that give the 32BHP boost?
ECU update too. i.e. its the magnesium manifolds alone that give the 32BHP boost?
I think, but it's just a guess, the slightly lower power output for some non U.K. Markets may be because the cats stay in some markets. Whether that's correct or not, the amr cars for U.K. have no rear cats
That's why the weight loss for the titanium exhaust is quoted as being less for amr cars than V12VS - the amr cars are already decatted so already have some of the weight loss
As for fitting everything other than titanium to get the power gain without the bulk of the expense, for 3-4K, I can only assume they don't offer that for political reasons to stop too many people doing it cheaply. Also, it ensures they sell more titanium systems which recovers more r&d costs and provides higher profits
I cant see many people taking the titanium option on non amr cars without going for the full performance pack - in relative terms it's not that much more money but offers the power upgrade. Or put the other way round, to me, the titanium system on its own has been brought in as an option primarily for amr owners or, for v8 owners who don't have a performance pack option
Just found, copied and pasted the email from gaydon - it's pretty much what I've said already, but I forgot they mention different air boxes add some of the V12V amr power
It can be frustrating as others have indicated, but they offer so many marginally different products, in such small production numbers, it's very difficult for dealers to keep up and to an extent, some of these details are not seen as being so ultra important to the majority of customers. The website and print literature can barely keep up. However if you find the right person, they are very accommodating at answering questions as you will see below - I've not copied and pasted my questions because he answers are self explanatory on their own
You'll see from the answers below why I've been so certain in my comments on this subject.
? V12 Vantage AMR will get receive a power uplift to 595bhp. This increase in power is achieved via the revised inlet manifolds, removal of the underfloor catalysts and the addition of the valved airbox from the Sport-Plus pack
? The section replacing the underfloor (rear) catalysts on V12 Vantage AMR are straight through pipes without internal baffling or damping and the back-box is carryover from V12 Vantage S
? The Titanium exhaust is the same part that is included in the Accessory V12 Performance Pack. The carbon fibre rear diffuser is part of the Titanium exhaust offering, as it is necessary to accommodate the different Titanium back-box
? The back-box on the Titanium system is different to the base V12 Vantage AMR back-box, and takes learnings from Vantage GT12. This is what enhances the exhaust note significantly! The CAT delete pipes for the Titanium exhaust are also straight through without damping
It can be frustrating as others have indicated, but they offer so many marginally different products, in such small production numbers, it's very difficult for dealers to keep up and to an extent, some of these details are not seen as being so ultra important to the majority of customers. The website and print literature can barely keep up. However if you find the right person, they are very accommodating at answering questions as you will see below - I've not copied and pasted my questions because he answers are self explanatory on their own
You'll see from the answers below why I've been so certain in my comments on this subject.
? V12 Vantage AMR will get receive a power uplift to 595bhp. This increase in power is achieved via the revised inlet manifolds, removal of the underfloor catalysts and the addition of the valved airbox from the Sport-Plus pack
? The section replacing the underfloor (rear) catalysts on V12 Vantage AMR are straight through pipes without internal baffling or damping and the back-box is carryover from V12 Vantage S
? The Titanium exhaust is the same part that is included in the Accessory V12 Performance Pack. The carbon fibre rear diffuser is part of the Titanium exhaust offering, as it is necessary to accommodate the different Titanium back-box
? The back-box on the Titanium system is different to the base V12 Vantage AMR back-box, and takes learnings from Vantage GT12. This is what enhances the exhaust note significantly! The CAT delete pipes for the Titanium exhaust are also straight through without damping
AdamV12V said:
Pauses for thought - OK, so is the "Power Upgrade" available for a V12VS?
Presumably it would be for £12,495 (for the Performance Pack) less the £8,995 (for the Titanium Exhaust and CF blade) which is just £3500 +VAT +fitting!
Now that's a very tempting offer, the full 595 BHP of a GT12 combined with the sound from my existing cat bypass, for a fraction of the cost.
Just have to live with those plain black magnesium manifolds!
Adam - that' s a good pause! I've been thinking too..Presumably it would be for £12,495 (for the Performance Pack) less the £8,995 (for the Titanium Exhaust and CF blade) which is just £3500 +VAT +fitting!
Now that's a very tempting offer, the full 595 BHP of a GT12 combined with the sound from my existing cat bypass, for a fraction of the cost.
Just have to live with those plain black magnesium manifolds!
Surely (?) all the parts are available for a dealer to carry this mod out without resource to £11k's worth of Ti - maybe not in a ' pack' though - after all the 595hp power level is achieved in theVanquish S with normal assembly line parts...so I guess it depends how well you get on with your dealer and their workshop manager. I think I do so I'm going to ask...
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