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cibble10 said:
Am almost committed to purchasing a V8 Roadster AMR (Halo Pack) and I read this whole thread for background information but something seems to have happened on March 11 as the thread abruptly stopped?!
Happens all too often on forums, I wouldn't read too much into it. There was another AMR Vantage thread running after this one titled "All Good Things", which may have contributed to this one fizzling out a little...cibble10 said:
Also V8s disappeared from the owners list... or did so few sell it was deemed not worth it?
I suspect this was just a typing error - most of the owners here were V12 owners so probably just got a bit carried away... 
cibble10 said:
Serious question. Are there still lots of V8 AMRs sitting at dealers waiting to be sold?
There were certainly a fair few unsold from the initial allocation of 200 cars, unlike the 100 V12's which were all snapped up fairly fast. As a result the dealers took the cars into stock to sell. I haven't checked for a while but I wouldn't be surprised if there was still more than one available if you ring around a few dealers.cibble10 said:
If I buy will depreciation be horrendous given it seems they are being sold at a discount?
Surely depreciation will be better if you pay less for it in the first place! Just do your research, haggle hard and go into it with your eyes open. At the end of the day its a wonderful car, so buy and enjoy...cibble10 said:
Should I purchase an AMG GT instead?
Errr - NO. Simple that one! Edited by AdamV12V on Tuesday 29th May 12:37
I drove the one of top of the AMG GT's recently (the GTC coupe) and to be honest I wasn't as impressed as I expected to be. Interior quality is no where near the levels of finish and quality of material to Aston. The seats were terribly uncomfortable. The steering felt very light especially from centre and the whole package didnt grip me like I thought it would. I really wanted it to be more communicative and engaging. The exhaust note artifically echoed around the rear boot too which bothered me. The paintwork was not up to Aston standards. The engine, with a minute amount of lag that was easily forgiven, however, was fantastic.
Thanks chaps for the timely responses!
Yes, I have what seems a good deal on the table, but then that can sometimes be worrying in itself!
The fact that has been in the showroom for a few months (albeit the last of 3 in stock) concerns me a bit as I think it looks pretty stunning.
Agreed re the AMG GT interior. I have seen reference to it being 'quality' but form over substance comes to mind. Also, most of it is common across the older range.
Yes, I have what seems a good deal on the table, but then that can sometimes be worrying in itself!
The fact that has been in the showroom for a few months (albeit the last of 3 in stock) concerns me a bit as I think it looks pretty stunning.
Agreed re the AMG GT interior. I have seen reference to it being 'quality' but form over substance comes to mind. Also, most of it is common across the older range.
cibble10 said:
Thanks chaps for the timely responses!
Yes, I have what seems a good deal on the table, but then that can sometimes be worrying in itself!
The fact that has been in the showroom for a few months (albeit the last of 3 in stock) concerns me a bit as I think it looks pretty stunning.
Yes, I have what seems a good deal on the table, but then that can sometimes be worrying in itself!
The fact that has been in the showroom for a few months (albeit the last of 3 in stock) concerns me a bit as I think it looks pretty stunning.
Ref. your mention of (albeit the last of 3 in stock). One dealer told me last November that they had been allocated three V8 AMRs. Perhaps that was the same with other dealers.
If there are still some available (being new cars they would not normally be openly advertised), are you sure that you have found the one that meets your exact specification requirements? If you are wondering about the deal price, maybe offer less. Having had it in stock for several months, might make them agree. You could even suggest that they wouldn't want the old model Vantage hanging around, now that the new ones are on their way to dealers (although it does appear here, that many owners do prefer the Mk1 version).
Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 29th May 18:21
I think this thread came to a conclusion for two reasons really. Firstly because most AMR cars had been delivered apart from those with Q bits which were put in production towards the end of the run. Secondly our “Good things.....” thread took over.
As for the V12/V8 thing I think the thread was mostly V12 owners who populated the thread so conversation naturally settled on those cars.
When I was at Bristol a couple of weeks ago they had three V8 AMR cars with two being roadsters. Their view was they were happy to hold until buyers came along but, I guess, they would say that
As regards depreciation many think that once all the new stock has gone they should fair ok on the depreciation front but guess it depends on which crystal ball you are looking into. One thing for sure once they have gone - they’re gone.
Good luck with your decision!
As for the V12/V8 thing I think the thread was mostly V12 owners who populated the thread so conversation naturally settled on those cars.
When I was at Bristol a couple of weeks ago they had three V8 AMR cars with two being roadsters. Their view was they were happy to hold until buyers came along but, I guess, they would say that
As regards depreciation many think that once all the new stock has gone they should fair ok on the depreciation front but guess it depends on which crystal ball you are looking into. One thing for sure once they have gone - they’re gone.
Good luck with your decision!
Jon39 said:
Ref. your mention of (albeit the last of 3 in stock). One dealer told me last November that they had been allocated three V8 AMRs. Perhaps that was the same with other dealers.
If there are still some available (being new cars they would not normally be openly advertised), are you sure that you have found the one that meets your exact specification requirements? If you are wondering about the deal price, maybe offer less. Having had it in stock for several months, might make them agree. You could even suggest that they wouldn't want the old model Vantage hanging around, now that the new ones are on their way to dealers (although it does appear here, that many owners do prefer the Mk1 version).
Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 29th May 18:21
Maybe my Vantage WILL hold some value!
cibble10 said:
Hopefully i have negotiated a deal which takes away some of the initial depreciation. The stock roadster looks wonderful and probably not being able to go down the Q route has probably helped with any value retention. The new Astons are not leaving the showroom either so i wonder what people are thinking now re Astons? Don't buy now because they are basically an AMG GT or C63 at heart, and definitely Merc like in the cockpit?
Maybe my Vantage WILL hold some value!
Maybe my Vantage WILL hold some value!
I have just noticed where you live Paul. A Roadster is of course just perfect, and the car in your photograph looks beautiful.
Am sure you will not have any regrets. My Vantage is not used frequently, but I look forward to every drive, and it is always an occasion rather than just being transport. Slightly odd in a motor car, that pedestrians sometimes give a thumbs up.
Your comment about the new model Vantage is interesting. We do not know any facts yet, but presumably your dealer might have made a passing comment to you. You are right though, unlike the introduction of the first Vantage, that initial two year waiting list might not occur this time. The Company say the model is aimed at new customers to Aston Martin, many of whom will be younger. Let's hope there are enough youngsters with a spare £140,000 (includes a few essential options). Your Vantage I am sure, will still be greatly admired for many years to come, so that might help residual levels.
If you have 'done the deal', please remember to tell us your initial impressions, after you have taken delivery.
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 31st May 20:04
Jon39 said:
I have just noticed where you live Paul. A Roadster is if course just perfect, and the car in your photograph looks beautiful.
Am sure you will not have any regrets. My Vantage is not used frequently, but I look forward to every drive, and it is always an occasion rather than just being transport. Slightly odd in a motor car, that pedestrian sometimes give a thumbs up.
Your comment about the new model Vantage is interesting. We do not know any facts yet, but presumably your dealer might have made passing comments to you. You are right though, unlike the introduction of the first Vantage, that two year waiting list might not occur this time. The Company say the model is aimed at new customers to Aston Martin, many of whom will be younger. Let's hope there are enough youngsters with a spare £140,000 (includes a few essential options). Your Vantage I am sure, will still be greatly admired for many years to come, so that might help residual levels.
If you have 'done the deal', please remember to tell us your initial impressions, after you have taken delivery.
REPLY:
The deal is done. Collection next week. I have come out of an Audi RS5, which though a great car in its own right it just didn't 'do it' for me. I have owned a Vantage V12 previously and understand your comments about the love affair that Jo Public seems to have with them. Perhaps James Bond has helped. I also remember each drive being 'an event'. The only issue I found with the V12 was that with the manual box it felt a bit heavy for driving around here.
My dealers have not commented on the new models but there are two in the showroom which have been there for a similar length of time as the AMR I am purchasing, and I have seen only one of the new models on the road. It doesn't mean that others have not been delivered to customers but it is a small 'town' here so not much goes unnoticed.
It is an interesting direction Aston has taken. As you suggest, Aston is perhaps vying for the younger customer but it is us silver foxes who are more likely to have the wherewithal to make such purchases (and understand the Aston legacy?). Of course the new models have now progressed into a higher price bracket, as you say. Once upon a time one might have weighed up an Aston v8 against a Jag and thought 'pay that for a Jag??' but now Aston prices are heading directly into solid 911 territory, touching on MacLaren (with the new v12 Aston models in the same market). Oddly, Jaguar might now find themselves with their very own market, unless of course they follow suit.
When I purchased the RS5 it was interesting to consider what the next next tier of performance cars actually was (and is). There is now quite a lot more space between the RS5s/M3 Competitions and similar and the next tier of performance car. Porsche and Aston in particular have pulled away. Mercedes has its AMG GT. The C63 probably does sit in the middle somewhere, but of course shares the same base engine as the AMG GT and C63 and smaller new Astons, and much of the Aston interior is now very much 'Merc like'.
I suppose this last part is what has me lamenting the apparent loss of Aston's identity. As a businessman I realise the need for it to move towards profitability almost by whatever means possible (which it accomplished last year). I am very interested to see how it will perform going forward (BAU and not transitional) and whether it can attract the younger client demographic it is hoping for. I for one can afford a new model but see the AMR as the opportunity to secure one of the last of the 'v8 originals', and a quite unique one at that.
It also helps that it is a smaller car than the new models given the local roads
(I'd hate for you to think I was taking myself too seriously!)I shall return in a couple of weeks with some thoughts.
I am looking forward to my new daily drive!
Edited by cibble10 on Thursday 31st May 20:48
cibble10 said:
Hopefully i have negotiated a deal which takes away some of the initial depreciation. The stock roadster looks wonderful and probably not being able to go down the Q route has probably helped with any value retention. The new Astons are not leaving the showroom either so i wonder what people are thinking now re Astons? Don't buy now because they are basically an AMG GT or C63 at heart, and definitely Merc like in the cockpit?
Maybe my Vantage WILL hold some value!
Congratulations Beautiful car. Maybe my Vantage WILL hold some value!
We stopped getting the V8V here with the 2016 model but continued to get the V12's till this year. The discounts dealers were giving here were incredible. 20 - 30% off. My 2015 residual in close to what I paid new. So you made the right choice. Don't know about over there but here the V12's seem to depreciate faster than the V8's. Maybe not the dogleg, but I have not seen any of those for sale. I would love to own a V12 someday in addition since I would never sell my V8.
It's unfortunate the new Vantage is so much larger and taller than the outgoing. I was really hoping it would have been lower, more in line with the Huracan. But it isn't.
Five AMR V12 manual Roadsters attended the AMOC Spring Concours today and made quite an impressive line up in the car park. We met at out hotel and then drove in together. I wonder what proportion of the worldwide production of these cars this represented - quite high I would have thought 
Marcel, your car is stunning and the paintwork just sparkled in the sun. Great to meet you by the way after all this time.
It was great to get a full house of Zaffre Blues and finally see Graham’s car 
Marcel, your car is stunning and the paintwork just sparkled in the sun. Great to meet you by the way after all this time.
It was great to get a full house of Zaffre Blues
and finally see Graham’s car 
IanV12VSRs said:
Five AMR V12 manual Roadsters attended the AMOC Spring Concours today and made quite an impressive line up in the car park. We met at out hotel and then drove in together. I wonder what proportion of the worldwide production of these cars this represented - quite high I would have thought
Marcel, your car is stunning and the paintwork just sparkled in the sun. Great to meet you by the way after all this time.
It was great to get a full house of Zaffre Blues and finally see Graham’s car
Typical, you 3 years for the V12AMR to arrive and you get 5 at once.....:-)Marcel, your car is stunning and the paintwork just sparkled in the sun. Great to meet you by the way after all this time.
It was great to get a full house of Zaffre Blues
and finally see Graham’s car Great cars all of them, look stunning
IanV12VSRs said:
Five AMR V12 manual Roadsters attended the AMOC Spring Concours today and made quite an impressive line up in the car park. We met at out hotel and then drove in together. I wonder what proportion of the worldwide production of these cars this represented - quite high I would have thought
Marcel, your car is stunning and the paintwork just sparkled in the sun. Great to meet you by the way after all this time.
It was great to get a full house of Zaffre Blues and finally see Graham’s car
It was great meeting you and Graham for the first time today after the last 6 months of emails and car build leap frogging. Also great to meet Gary and Nigel for the first time too, along with their lovely V12 AMR’s. Marcel, your car is stunning and the paintwork just sparkled in the sun. Great to meet you by the way after all this time.
It was great to get a full house of Zaffre Blues
and finally see Graham’s car It was a colourful view following our mini convoy at the rear, the three Zaffre Blue cars each with differing stripe colour, and of course Gary’s Halo scheme roadster too.
Hopefully we’ll get to see the rest of the Vantage AMR cars soon
NeinFondue said:
It was great meeting you and Graham for the first time today after the last 6 months of emails and car build leap frogging. Also great to meet Gary and Nigel for the first time too, along with their lovely V12 AMR’s.
It was a colourful view following our mini convoy at the rear, the three Zaffre Blue cars each with differing stripe colour, and of course Gary’s Halo scheme roadster too.
Hopefully we’ll get to see the rest of the Vantage AMR cars soon
Have you forgiven me yet? It was a colourful view following our mini convoy at the rear, the three Zaffre Blue cars each with differing stripe colour, and of course Gary’s Halo scheme roadster too.
Hopefully we’ll get to see the rest of the Vantage AMR cars soon
Great to see the photos of the AMRs.
And thanks for the more general responses to my post.
Slightly concerning to understand that there still appear to be a number of unsold ones out there. Seems I might have been able to negotiate even harder?
Anyhoo. I am now committed and am looking forward to collection this week.
As two friends of mine gave up their V8 Vantages over the last couple of years due to continuing problems I just hope mine is not a Friday afternoon car and is as good as the V12 I once owned (that 'just' needed a new fuel pump).
Maybe some better photos to follow
And thanks for the more general responses to my post.
Slightly concerning to understand that there still appear to be a number of unsold ones out there. Seems I might have been able to negotiate even harder?
Anyhoo. I am now committed and am looking forward to collection this week.
As two friends of mine gave up their V8 Vantages over the last couple of years due to continuing problems I just hope mine is not a Friday afternoon car and is as good as the V12 I once owned (that 'just' needed a new fuel pump).
Maybe some better photos to follow
NeinFondue said:
soofsayer said:
Vantage AMR roadster in York today. 18 plate, blue, orange bonnet stripe, black amr wheels. Nice
That would be silverspeed 
I would have said the same but he has V12 plate on his. Hope it was a misread of the plate because I thought Graham’s was the only AMR in blue with an orange stripe. Next someone will be seeing one with a yellow stripe 
IanV12VSRs said:
I would have said the same but he has V12 plate on his. Hope it was a misread of the plate because I thought Graham’s was the only AMR in blue with an orange stripe. Next someone will be seeing one with a yellow stripe Could there be another Zaffre AMR Roadster with Orange stripe and Black AMR wheels??
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