Vantage AMR

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KevinBird

505 posts

140 months

Tuesday 13th June 2017
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jonby said:
KevinBird said:
GT12 power and an interior that will make you envious or something like that
Sounds wonderful Kevin. Not sure why people are connecting it to the fact I have something incoming !
I'm not. I'm just replying to the OP

jonby

4,901 posts

90 months

Tuesday 13th June 2017
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KevinBird said:
jonby said:
KevinBird said:
GT12 power and an interior that will make you envious or something like that
Sounds wonderful Kevin. Not sure why people are connecting it to the fact I have something incoming !
I'm not. I'm just replying to the OP
I know. That was my point !

jonby

4,901 posts

90 months

V8 Vantage GT

680 posts

39 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Some people will find it a disappointing I would guess. Thought it would be closer to the GT8 more track oriented limited edition at a ridiculous price. It reminds me of the N430 (USA's GT). Nicely optioned at a fair price, because of the limited colors and trim etc. But can be optioned out with lots of GT8 type (AMR) extras, no doubt at a steep cost. Very nice.

jonby

4,901 posts

90 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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V8 Vantage GT said:
Some people will find it a disappointing I would guess. Thought it would be closer to the GT8 more track oriented limited edition at a ridiculous price. It reminds me of the N430 (USA's GT). Nicely optioned at a fair price, because of the limited colors and trim etc. But can be optioned out with lots of GT8 type (AMR) extras, no doubt at a steep cost. Very nice.
There is absolutely no question that as an AMR car, it's underwhelming. Despite promises to the contrary in all the interviews and statements following the Geneva launch that AMR would not be a trim job, this car is just that for V8. For V12, the 600ps, especially with a manual box, has more 'prestige' than a V12S with a performance pack but yes, you'd expect them to do more with an AMR car

Having said that, as a run out car, for the money, it's excellent value. c 5% uplift over standard (V8 starts at just under £100k for manual coupe with normal premiums for sport shift & roadster). V12 is same price in either transmission, just under £150k for coupe and just under £160k for roadster, plus OTR

An AMR car in the style of the Rapide at geneva would easily carry a premium of £30-40k

If you were to spec these cars up from a V8/V12 MY17 car, they would cost c £20-25k in extras. V12 has CF bonnet louvres and side strakes, CF waterfall, lots of expensive leather & paint options, lightweight wheels, black wings badges, numbered plaques, lots of black detailing e.g. window surrounds, rotaries, pedals & headlamp bezels, etc. Add in the exclusivity and the fact its a run out model (already sold out in V12 guise) plus of course the power bump for V12 and as an owner proposition its great, but yes not what people may have been expecting for an AMR car

If you don't go down the Q route, you'd struggle to add more than £10k in options to these AMR cars (lightweights and B&O are the only big ticket options).

AMR accessories are the subject of much discussion elsewhere - wheels, titanium and aero are the most likely (and big ticket) options

Halo pack is £6.5k - it includes coloured callipers (lime in this instance) which are extra on the other AMR cars, thicker carpet with contrast trim, union wings badges instead of black and signed under bonnet plaque

agree it has similarities to the N430 cars

right, time to pack for le mans now !
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ajr550

398 posts

57 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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When the press release highlights Union Jack wings as a no cost option you know the package is underwhelming.
I was hoping for something special from this model but singularly unimpressed.

silverspeed

1,402 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Would have been very easy for Aston to make a narrow bodied GT12/GT8 with a body kit , more accents and charge stupid money . In V12 format especially I think it's fantastic value for money and if Autocar are correct ,and it is Vantage Swansong , then what a great end to the current model . Will we see a V12 in the next Vantage ? If we do it won't be normally aspirated for sure.

AdamV8V

1,085 posts

89 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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silverspeed said:
Would have been very easy for Aston to make a narrow bodied GT12/GT8 with a body kit , more accents and charge stupid money . In V12 format especially I think it's fantastic value for money and if Autocar are correct ,and it is Vantage Swansong , then what a great end to the current model . Will we see a V12 in the next Vantage ? If we do it won't be normally aspirated for sure.
This.

I'm surprised nobody is making more of the fact this is likely to be the last n/a V12 Aston Martin (unless Vanquish production outlasts these cars) or, indeed, the last n/a V12 with a manual 'box from any manufacturer...

Unless (as is often the case) other people are more in the know than me. shout Jonby!!

RobDown

2,917 posts

61 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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With the caveat that Vanquish production will continue for a while (you just know there is an Ultimate coming at some point), I think you are correct Adam.

This is the final hurrah for the non-turbo v12s in Aston Martins.

AdamV12V

3,128 posts

110 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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jonby said:
Having said that, as a run out car, for the money, it's excellent value. c 5% uplift over standard (V8 starts at just under £100k for manual coupe with normal premiums for sport shift & roadster). V12 is same price in either transmission, just under £150k for coupe and just under £160k for roadster, plus OTR
Hmm, are you sure? I was told the V12 was £175k OTR - which was one of the things that put me off going for one. Seemed like it was breakeven on spec / value. Nice to have the 595BHP for sure, but the limited options on spec flexibility and minimum spend of £12k with Q, meant that I couldn't achieve the same level of customisation as on my current car without spending a huge chunk more.

I'd be interested to see how many AMR Vantage buyers order a car without the AMR Aerokit and AMR Wheels, and probably the AMR Titanium Exhaust too which means a good £30k extra. I'd expect all of those to be fitted to the majority of AMR Vantages in the same way they were pretty much essential spec on the GT8.

My expectation from what I was told was that a AMR Vantage V12 with Aero, AMR Wheels etc... was going to cost £195-200k.

Beefmeister

14,680 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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AdamV12V said:
Hmm, are you sure? I was told the V12 was £175k OTR - which was one of the things that put me off going for one. Seemed like it was breakeven on spec / value. Nice to have the 595BHP for sure, but the limited options on spec flexibility and minimum spend of £12k with Q, meant that I couldn't achieve the same level of customisation as on my current car without spending a huge chunk more.

I'd be interested to see how many AMR Vantage buyers order a car without the AMR Aerokit and AMR Wheels, and probably the AMR Titanium Exhaust too which means a good £30k extra. I'd expect all of those to be fitted to the majority of AMR Vantages in the same way they were pretty much essential spec on the GT8.

My expectation from what I was told was that a AMR Vantage V12 with Aero, AMR Wheels etc... was going to cost £195-200k.
V12 AMR Coupe - £148,995
V12 AMR Roadster - £158,500


Aero Kit - £12,500
Titanium Exhaust - £10,794
AMR wheels - £5995

Edited by Beefmeister on Wednesday 14th June 10:50

AMDBSVNick

6,117 posts

95 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Beefmeister said:
V12 AMR Coupe - £148,995
V12 AMR Roadster - £158,500


Aero Kit - £12,500
Titanium Exhaust - £10,794
AMR wheels - £5995

Edited by Beefmeister on Wednesday 14th June 10:50
Add to that LW Seats, Halo pack and a few trinkets and you are at £190k. Then you could potentially spend another £12k with Q

IanV12VR

2,471 posts

88 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Jonby has just quoted from the the official announcement so not sure where you have got your pricing from Adam. If you add the accessories you mention you would undoubtedly add at least £30k to the price. However, they cannot be ordered as options and because they are accessories and would have to be fitted by the dealer after it left the factory. That may put some buyers off doing it who want to keep it as it left the factory.

Not everyone will go for the coupe and doubt many Roadster owners will go for the aero pack, it would look somewhat comical in my view. You would also question how many would go for the titanium exhaust because that could be too loud. I like how my S sounds with the OEM decat but not sure I would want it any louder.

My understanding is that the UK allocation of V12's is sold out and it will be interesting to see what the mix is between coupe/roadster and SS/manual. The V12's with the added power, options reinstated do look good value IMO but think it will be interesting to see how the V8 us received.

If you go for the manual it is likely that it will be the last manual n/a V12 Aston - although I have heard that said before wink - as I have difficulty seeing why Aston would go to the cost of engineering a V12 into the new Vantage when they can turn up the wick on the V8 to achieve similar power gains. Mind you the SS version will be pretty rare as well.




RobDown

2,917 posts

61 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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I'm not sure the aero is available on the Roadster

But agree would probably look silly, so I'll order without

IanV12VR

2,471 posts

88 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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RobDown said:
I'm not sure the aero is available on the Roadster

But agree would probably look silly, so I'll order without
V12 or V8, manual or SS Rob?

silverspeed

1,402 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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RobDown said:
I'm not sure the aero is available on the Roadster

But agree would probably look silly, so I'll order without
Can be retro fitted by dealer at a later stage anyway . I understand the Aero is all or nothing as it's been tested as a full kit .

RobDown

2,917 posts

61 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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IanV12VR said:
RobDown said:
I'm not sure the aero is available on the Roadster

But agree would probably look silly, so I'll order without
V12 or V8, manual or SS Rob?
I've spent about 18 months trying to buy a V12 manual roadster, got side-tracked by the GT8 (I originally went in to place a deposit on the roadster).

So this appears to be my last chance to get one Ian. Still thinking long and hard about spec; your thoughts on the Titanium exhaust are exactly mine; it makes sense on the GT8. But it will be too loud for the roadster?

HBradley

1,022 posts

114 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Let's hope the V8 comes with the twin-plate clutch & lightened flywheel!!

P.Griffin

261 posts

47 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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Does anyone know if there are any V12s available?

Beefmeister

14,680 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th June 2017
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P.Griffin said:
Does anyone know if there are any V12s available?
I've heard only V8s left.