Vantage AMR

[Ex Boy Racer]

Presumably these cars would not come with the normal AM discount. So the difference in cost between standard and this spec would be even more.
Expensive car

[RobDown]

Ex Boy Racer said:

Presumably these cars would not come with the normal AM discount. So the difference in cost between standard and this spec would be even more.
Expensive car

Except you can't order a standard car now (unless there any any of the 20 left still)

[Chamboy]

RobDown said:

I think you may also be double counting a bit with that £12k unallocated Q spend; presumably if you went down that route some of it would be on CF bits?

But your point still remains. It's easy to see how someone could get to a £200k car OTR

My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?

Hi Rob

Yes quite - I was sort of making the point £12k would prob be soaked up on paint carbon etc

IMO one would have to be careful about an non standard AMR colour - most (well 3 at least) of the colours would I think be seen as very AMR - specific. Just my 2p's worth

Also I note that if one chooses Halo them the lime stripe is non- delete- able (?). I for one don't like lime!

[mikey k]

If anybody wants a V12 AMR allocation mine is up for grabs, contact Martin Wallace at Wilmslow.
I had a deposit on a V12VS roadster with 7MT box, but after a couple of test drive just couldn't get on with the 7MT box and my Mclaren is just so much better for B roads blasts.
Off to look at DBS Volantes instead, though the Vanquish S volante they have in the show room is superb!

[HBradley]

V8 Vantage GT said:

jonby said:

As for the suggestion in one of the threads today of a n/a V12 in new new vantage - I'd be staggered. They can easily get 600bhp+ out of the v8 Amg block so it simply wouldn't make any sense, unless down the road we are talking about an amr pro using say Vulcan engine

Yes but which would be more desirable. A 600bhp V8 turbo , or a 600bhp NA V12 ?

If the DB11 is anything to go by, I think (& hope) that we're all going to pleasantly surprised by the capabilities (& sound) of that V8!!!!

[Big Ry]

Dare I say it, but it all seems a bit of a dogs dinner promotion wise.

Most people on here are very well informed yet there are still conflicting messages about what is and isn't etc etc.

AM seriously need to sort their st out in this area. It's not just the AMR cars but all of them, their comms and marketing are both terrible, made even worse when they're selling £150k+ cars, not bags of minstrels.

If they want to get serious with production numbers then they need to get a grip on this and fast. As Hornbaek has said it's enough to make people walk away. I don't want it to be an effort, and even myself at times it's been like pulling teeth trying to get any sense from dealers.

[Chamboy]

RobDown said:

I think you may also be double counting a bit with that £12k unallocated Q spend; presumably if you went down that route some of it would be on CF bits?

But your point still remains. It's easy to see how someone could get to a £200k car OTR

My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?

Hi Rob

Yes quite - I was sort of making the point £12k would prob be soaked up on paint carbon etc

IMO one would have to be careful about an non standard AMR colour - most (well 3 at least) of the colours would I think be seen as very AMR - specific. Just my 2p's worth

Also I note that if one chooses Halo them the lime stripe is non- delete- able (?). I for one don't like lime!

[AMDBSVNick]

RobDown said:

My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?

No way, that will look stunning

[Beefmeister]

Diavolo Red with a dark grey/black stripe and the sport pack coloured lightweight wheels will look absolutely amazing.

[silverspeed]

RobDown said:

I think you may also be double counting a bit with that £12k unallocated Q spend; presumably if you went down that route some of it would be on CF bits?

But your point still remains. It's easy to see how someone could get to a £200k car OTR

My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?

Diavolo will look fantastic . I've currently got Volcano Red on my V12R and don't regret it all all although if Diavolo had been available at the time would have specced that . Black stripe black wheels and all that carbon - perfect !

[HBradley]

Or Ultramarine Black?

[Jon39]

RobDown said:

My question to the forum is this - if I don't go for one of the standard paint schemes (I'd like Diavolo Red) is that going to look odd on an AMR Roadster?

Here is a thought for you, Rob.

You will remember the unique GT12 Roadster.
Perhaps your AMR Roadster (it is a V12 is it?) would look good in the same colour, if you are allowed.
Give it a try.

Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 15th June 11:38

[jonby]

Again, remember no q on halo

Also, if you buy amr wheels, you'll have the old ones to sell to offset the price partially. For that matter with ti, you'll have the old / standard box to sell

Mike - fairly sure martin has long since sold that spot :-)

[AdamV8V]

Big Ry said:

AM seriously need to sort their st out in this area. It's not just the AMR cars but all of them, their comms and marketing are both terrible.

Bang on, Big Ry.

---Begin Rant---
I’ve been having the same conversation with a few fellow owners (including a few with AMR build slots) over the past 36 hours. What an absolute st show this has been.

Consider the facts…
The Vantage has been Aston’s most successful road and race car ever.
A faithful servant that has brought the brand to a new generation of owners
This is the car’s swansong, before an exciting new chapter in the company’s history, and they’re sending it out in style by:
- Creating the most powerful series production Vantage to ever leave the factory
- Continuing to offer the thrill of large capacity, normally aspirated engines
- Focusing on the pure driving experience of hydraulically assisted steering and manual gearboxes
- Offering paint and trim options previously reserved to ‘Q’ customers
- When you combine V8/V12/Coupe/Roadster/Sportshift/Manual/Halo/4x Exterior themes/4x Interior Themes you can have an AMR in over 100 configurations (before options and ‘Q’)

All the headlines should have been about this being a landmark, end-of-an-era car and the ultimate incarnation of Vantage, reflecting all the things Aston Martin have learned on the road and the race track for the past ten years. That’s how Porsche and Ferrari would have positioned it.

Instead, they’ve massively over-egged the motorsport connection, only shown the car in coupe form in the Halo scheme (and white with the Aero pack), and given punters and journalists the opportunity to titter about overpriced luggage, helmets and dashcams.

As the ultimate proponents of ‘the thrill of driving’ (and evangelists of n/a engines, manual gearboxes and hydraulic PAS; as well as giving the stock V12VSM rave reviews) evo should have been jizzing in their pants about this car.

Instead, their headline is “Aston Martin rolls out Vantage-based AMR special editions” and describes the cars as “stickers and stripes specials”. The sub-editor's eye roll as he was writing this is almost palpable.

They’ve not helped themselves by this coming of the back of endless V8V ‘specials’ like N430, SP10 and RBR, but this was an opportunity to make this car really special.

Instead I feel like it’s been used as a smokescreen to get the AMR brand out there and flog some car covers. I 100% understand that they need to make AMR famous, but do this by making great cars and winning races, not ramming paint schemes and accessories down peoples’ throughts.

Somebody in the AML PR team needs to be taken out and shot.

---Rant Ends---

[AMDBSVNick]

AdamV8V said:

Bang on, Big Ry.

---Begin Rant---
I’ve been having the same conversation with a few fellow owners (including a few with AMR build slots) over the past 36 hours. What an absolute st show this has been.

Consider the facts…
The Vantage has been Aston’s most successful road and race car ever.
A faithful servant that has brought the brand to a new generation of owners
This is the car’s swansong, before an exciting new chapter in the company’s history, and they’re sending it out in style by:
- Creating the most powerful series production Vantage to ever leave the factory
- Continuing to offer the thrill of large capacity, normally aspirated engines
- Focusing on the pure driving experience of hydraulically assisted steering and manual gearboxes
- Offering paint and trim options previously reserved to ‘Q’ customers
- When you combine V8/V12/Coupe/Roadster/Sportshift/Manual/Halo/4x Exterior themes/4x Interior Themes you can have an AMR in over 100 configurations (before options and ‘Q’)

All the headlines should have been about this being a landmark, end-of-an-era car and the ultimate incarnation of Vantage, reflecting all the things Aston Martin have learned on the road and the race track for the past ten years. That’s how Porsche and Ferrari would have positioned it.

Instead, they’ve massively over-egged the motorsport connection, only shown the car in coupe form in the Halo scheme (and white with the Aero pack), and given punters and journalists the opportunity to titter about overpriced luggage, helmets and dashcams.

As the ultimate proponents of ‘the thrill of driving’ (and evangelists of n/a engines, manual gearboxes and hydraulic PAS; as well as giving the stock V12VSM rave reviews) evo should have been jizzing in their pants about this car.

Instead, their headline is “Aston Martin rolls out Vantage-based AMR special editions” and describes the cars as “stickers and stripes specials”. The sub-editor's eye roll as he was writing this is almost palpable.

They’ve not helped themselves by this coming of the back of endless V8V ‘specials’ like N430, SP10 and RBR, but this was an opportunity to make this car really special.

Instead I feel like it’s been used as a smokescreen to get the AMR brand out there and flog some car covers. I 100% understand that they need to make AMR famous, but do this by making great cars and winning races, not ramming paint schemes and accessories down peoples’ throughts.

Somebody in the AML PR team needs to be taken out and shot.

---Rant Ends---

and breathe

[Ex Boy Racer]

Thing is, Ferrari and Porsche don't make a big deal of superceding models (455? 997?) because it's not a big deal - they update regularly.

[Upperworks]

AdamV8V said:

---Rant Ends---

lots of good stuff.

I decided to go for one of the last 20 cars, but the experience is being undermined by the lack of clarity on what anything means.

First Aston decide to put a load of extra stuff on for "free" which they should have been doing all along, but takes the edge off spec'ing a car just before. Of course the lack of discounts puts me back in a comfortable scenario.

I was under the impression that the AMR cars we going to have to come in the colour options stated - apart from a few special cases - ie original disgruntled V12VR owners. But now people are telling me their dealer says they can pick their colour.

I believe my dealer is working with the info they have, but no-one seems to really know. Or should I say everyone knows, but they all know different things.

Personally the AMR branding does nothing for me. I'm buying a "road"ster not a pretend track car.

[AdamV8V]

Upperworks said:

I was under the impression that the AMR cars we going to have to come in the colour options stated - apart from a few special cases - ie original disgruntled V12VR owners. But now people are telling me their dealer says they can pick their colour.

AFAIK, the only way you can spec a car that isn't Stirling Green/Stratus White/Zaffre Blue/Ultramarine Black/Scintilla Silver is to go down the 'Q' route, which is min £8k for V8 and £12k for V12. If you have heard different, I'd love to know.

Upperworks said:

Personally the AMR branding does nothing for me. I'm buying a "road"ster not a pretend track car.

Agreed. I think that's why, regardless of the £6.5k premium, we'll see quite a few non-Halo AMR cars with the graphics deleted for people who just want a well-spec'd V12VSM in a nice colour. The only way you'd know it was an AMR would be the headrest and sill plaque.

[AdamV12V]

Upperworks said:

I was under the impression that the AMR cars we going to have to come in the colour options stated - apart from a few special cases - ie original disgruntled V12VR owners. But now people are telling me their dealer says they can pick their colour.

Yes, I was also told that the AMR cars are limited to the 5 colour schemes (4 + Halo) . However the 4 schemes are amendable through Q which would include a choice of any different exterior colour, which of course would now be subject to the new min spend limits for Q, so in effect making any car not in one of the 4 core schemes a very expensive path to go down, even if you were just choosing a previously free or inexpensive colour.

Halo, as stated above cannot be amended via Q at all.

I personally found the interior combo (black, brown and lime ) of the Halo scheme more offputting than the exterior, and its lack of any Q was the nail in the coffin for me.

[AdamV8V]

AdamV12V said:

I personally found the interior combo (black, brown and lime ) of the Halo scheme more offputting than the exterior, and its lack of any Q was the nail in the coffin for me.

Same. I absolutely adore Stirling Green but the non-delete stripe and interior would be blockers for me.

I think on a coupe where the stripe goes over the roof and you can see the seats less (!) I probably would suck it up. I also think the lime green calipers look pretty