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Big Ry, I know none of this is easy. The very low volume route would, I'd expect, require a much smaller workforce. But I'd hate to see Aston be reduced to a rebadged branding/marketing exercise. If it isn't the real thing, then to me there's absolutely no point. Using someone else's off-the-shelf, unmodified engine renders it IMO not the real thing. Even the under-bonnet appearance is completely uninteresting and generic -- just another set of plastic covers. What a shame. It's a massive step toward becoming just another pretty car, one that may look like an Aston, may sound like an Aston -- but it's just on the surface, without the substance.
codieskid said:
Hi guys
I haven't been able to stop looking at those sketches, so much so that I decided to spend a couple of hours and try and produce a render of how the car could look using the sketches as an outline. I am sure the real thing will look much better than this but hopefully it gives us some clues to the new Vantage.
I haven't been able to stop looking at those sketches, so much so that I decided to spend a couple of hours and try and produce a render of how the car could look using the sketches as an outline. I am sure the real thing will look much better than this but hopefully it gives us some clues to the new Vantage.
Great work Trevor.
Does this make the present model look super smooth?
codieskid said:
Hi guys
I haven't been able to stop looking at those sketches, so much so that I decided to spend a couple of hours and try and produce a render of how the car could look using the sketches as an outline. I am sure the real thing will look much better than this but hopefully it gives us some clues to the new Vantage.
Trev
Great work Trev, you should take this up as a career! I haven't been able to stop looking at those sketches, so much so that I decided to spend a couple of hours and try and produce a render of how the car could look using the sketches as an outline. I am sure the real thing will look much better than this but hopefully it gives us some clues to the new Vantage.
Trev
Hoping that the grill on the production model is a little less 'Vulcan'!
Jon39 said:
Great work Trevor.
Does this make the present model look super smooth?
Certainly the car is well proportioned and "pretty" but it does not have a spectacular road presence.
I look forward to actually appraising the new Vantage when we actually get to see it.
I am fully aware that the nature of an AM is to be understated and discreet and in that sense it ticks all the boxes but I think it is possibly a little too discreet.
Having said that,It was always going to be very difficult for AM to "improve" on the aesthetic appeal with their new models,whilst only tinkering with the design of their much admired current range.
The design of the DB11 has not been universally acclaimed on this forum.
I think it's ok but have only seen it from outside a showroom display window,so not best placed to give a considered opinion.
Maybe it was the right time to come out with a design that was of a more radical style similar to that in the mid 1990's when they went from Virage/ Vantage to the DB7.
Edited by avinalarf on Wednesday 5th July 09:06
avinalarf said:
At the risk of suffering castration from Vantage lovers,I have always thought that the design of the Vantage lacked a bit of aggressive drama,this is not so with the V12 variant.
Certainly the car is well proportioned and "pretty" but it does not have a spectacular road presence.
I look forward to actually appraising the new Vantage when we actually get to see it.
I am fully aware that the nature of an AM is to be understated and discreet and in that sense it ticks all the boxes but I think it is possibly a little too discreet.
Having said that,It was always going to be very difficult for AM to "improve" on the aesthetic appeal with their new models,whilst only tinkering with the design of their much admired current range.
The design of the DB11 has not been universally acclaimed on this forum.
I think it's ok but have only seen it from outside a showroom display window,so not best placed to give a considered opinion.
Maybe it was the right time to come out with a design that was of a more radical style similar to that in the mid 1990's when they went from Virage/ Vantage to the DB7.
I think Aston sorted out the "drama" aspect of the current Vantage by introducing the wide-body variants (GT12 and GT8). They certainly don't lack road-presence, even when specc'd with tasty/subtle colours.Certainly the car is well proportioned and "pretty" but it does not have a spectacular road presence.
I look forward to actually appraising the new Vantage when we actually get to see it.
I am fully aware that the nature of an AM is to be understated and discreet and in that sense it ticks all the boxes but I think it is possibly a little too discreet.
Having said that,It was always going to be very difficult for AM to "improve" on the aesthetic appeal with their new models,whilst only tinkering with the design of their much admired current range.
The design of the DB11 has not been universally acclaimed on this forum.
I think it's ok but have only seen it from outside a showroom display window,so not best placed to give a considered opinion.
Maybe it was the right time to come out with a design that was of a more radical style similar to that in the mid 1990's when they went from Virage/ Vantage to the DB7.
Edited by avinalarf on Wednesday 5th July 09:06
With regards to the "normal" Vantage, I think it's a pure looking car with a very masculine shape and crazy curves in the right places (for instance, the rear wheel arches are a thing of beauty)..obviously a lot depends on colour choice (a light colour highlights these shapes way more than, say, a black).
I may be biased here (and surely it is a very subjective topic), but I think the Vantage has road presence, particularly when seen from the back, mid-height perspective. But I agree, we are not talking about Lamborghini-level of "spectacular" Road-presence...at the end of the day, it's an Aston Martin.
Fil.FM said:
I think Aston sorted out the "drama" aspect of the current Vantage by introducing the wide-body variants (GT12 and GT8). They certainly don't lack road-presence, even when specc'd with tasty/subtle colours.
With regards to the "normal" Vantage, I think it's a pure looking car with a very masculine shape and crazy curves in the right places (for instance, the rear wheel arches are a thing of beauty)..obviously a lot depends on colour choice (a light colour highlights these shapes way more than, say, a black).
I may be biased here (and surely it is a very subjective topic), but I think the Vantage has road presence, particularly when seen from the back, mid-height perspective. But I agree, we are not talking about Lamborghini-level of "spectacular" Road-presence...at the end of the day, it's an Aston Martin.
1) I did say that my comments did not apply to the V12 variant.With regards to the "normal" Vantage, I think it's a pure looking car with a very masculine shape and crazy curves in the right places (for instance, the rear wheel arches are a thing of beauty)..obviously a lot depends on colour choice (a light colour highlights these shapes way more than, say, a black).
I may be biased here (and surely it is a very subjective topic), but I think the Vantage has road presence, particularly when seen from the back, mid-height perspective. But I agree, we are not talking about Lamborghini-level of "spectacular" Road-presence...at the end of the day, it's an Aston Martin.
2)" A very masculine shape"... Well I don't know the type of boys you date but I prefer mine a lot more butch.
3) I have acknowledged that an AM has a reputation for subtlety.
4) Not curvaceous enough for me......think Maralyn Monroe...not Twiggy.
5) All said "in the best possible taste".
Edited by avinalarf on Wednesday 5th July 10:30
codieskid said:
Hi guys
I haven't been able to stop looking at those sketches, so much so that I decided to spend a couple of hours and try and produce a render of how the car could look using the sketches as an outline. I am sure the real thing will look much better than this but hopefully it gives us some clues to the new Vantage.
Trev
I'll be signing up if it looks like that I haven't been able to stop looking at those sketches, so much so that I decided to spend a couple of hours and try and produce a render of how the car could look using the sketches as an outline. I am sure the real thing will look much better than this but hopefully it gives us some clues to the new Vantage.
Trev
I don't mind the general design language becoming more aggressive and masculine, but I fail to understand why this always seems to translate into what are frankly, ugly and un-balanced treatment of the lower front and lower rear elements. Not saying that the rendering above is going to be 100% accurate, but if it's even close then that front grille alone would put me off and, looking at the patent drawings, the rear end will be even worse.
I know it all echoes race car design, but that is purely done for functional reasons and so aesthetic considerations are largely irrelevant. It's not like AM can't make a car that will have decent aerodynamics and handling in an everyday road environment without the need for massive splitters and diffusers stuck on the front and back, so why compromise the whole design so much by including them? If customers really want the GT look, then by all means offer it on the 'S' or the GT variants, but I'd prefer to see the base model design kept more restrained and understated.
The DB11 just about manages to tread this line acceptably, but if the new Vantage is going to take more 'track car' cues from the Vulcan, then it's not going to be one for me.
I know it all echoes race car design, but that is purely done for functional reasons and so aesthetic considerations are largely irrelevant. It's not like AM can't make a car that will have decent aerodynamics and handling in an everyday road environment without the need for massive splitters and diffusers stuck on the front and back, so why compromise the whole design so much by including them? If customers really want the GT look, then by all means offer it on the 'S' or the GT variants, but I'd prefer to see the base model design kept more restrained and understated.
The DB11 just about manages to tread this line acceptably, but if the new Vantage is going to take more 'track car' cues from the Vulcan, then it's not going to be one for me.
I'd have to agree with the first two, albeit anyone larger than Olga Korbut would struggle to get in and out of the Dino. But they are both beautiful designs much nicer than any modern Ferrari
But I'm always a bit unconvinced by the one-77. Its those 'gills' at the front, they leave me a underwhelmed
But to keep this OT, I think of the new Vantage as being a win-win though for us owners. It's either brilliant and beautiful, in which case I'll be delighted for Aston Martin, or its appalling/ugly. In which case our existing cars become that much more desirable
But I'm always a bit unconvinced by the one-77. Its those 'gills' at the front, they leave me a underwhelmed
But to keep this OT, I think of the new Vantage as being a win-win though for us owners. It's either brilliant and beautiful, in which case I'll be delighted for Aston Martin, or its appalling/ugly. In which case our existing cars become that much more desirable
Thanks for the positive comments guys, glad you are liking the renders. I've revised slightly as I can't imagine the car won't have some kind of side strakes even if they do go for the honeycomb style holes down the side of the like those on the DB10 bonnet. I also hope that with the new model Aston might introduce some more customisable elements to the car like a highlights package and even the ability to change the colour of the chrome parts to some more interesting colours (think popularity of gold iphones etc).
Here are few colour combos to wet your appetite, let me know if you want to see any others
Bronze with gold accent pack, window surround, strakes and calipers
Black with white accent pack, chrome window surrounds, strakes and silver calipers
Red with red accent pack, black window surrounds, strakes and silver calipers
Trev
Here are few colour combos to wet your appetite, let me know if you want to see any others
Bronze with gold accent pack, window surround, strakes and calipers
Black with white accent pack, chrome window surrounds, strakes and silver calipers
Red with red accent pack, black window surrounds, strakes and silver calipers
Trev
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