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It's Frankfurt in September isn't it?
Anyway, I really do wonder if anyone working at Autocar actually has eyes. You can clearly see that the lower grille shape is formed by a riveted piece of plastic, and the headlights have a much more rounded shape than the DB10's, you just have to look at the picture closer!
Anyway, I really do wonder if anyone working at Autocar actually has eyes. You can clearly see that the lower grille shape is formed by a riveted piece of plastic, and the headlights have a much more rounded shape than the DB10's, you just have to look at the picture closer!
Beefmeister said:
It's Frankfurt in September isn't it?
Anyway, I really do wonder if anyone working at Autocar actually has eyes. You can clearly see that the lower grille shape is formed by a riveted piece of plastic, and the headlights have a much more rounded shape than the DB10's, you just have to look at the picture closer!
There's not much content in that article that isn't utter fantasy so I'm not sure why this in particular surprises you Tim ! Anyway, I really do wonder if anyone working at Autocar actually has eyes. You can clearly see that the lower grille shape is formed by a riveted piece of plastic, and the headlights have a much more rounded shape than the DB10's, you just have to look at the picture closer!
jonby said:
There's not much content in that article that isn't utter fantasy so I'm not sure why this in particular surprises you Tim !
Very true 
I often wonder if it's deliberate misinformation from Autocar as it genuinely seems as if their content writers don't actually know anything about cars sometimes.
Big Ry said:
Interesting that they say a V12 is coming along with a manual box. If the V8 produces 500bhp, surely the V12 is going to be 650+.......which is f'ing mental 
For fear of being shot though, I'd love to try the V12 with a proper dual-clutch jobby, I bet that would be a serious bit of kit.
Does anybody know exactly when we're actually going to get to see the new Vantage in release form ?
Firstly I wouldn't count on a V12 in a new Vantage just because Autocar says so - the consensus so far has been that there is no logic to this move with the flexibility the V8 engine has. It has already been widely covered that at no point did AP say they would make a V12 Manual, simply that the new range would feature V12 engines and also Manual gearboxes (in fact he went on to say the 7spd dogleg box will carry over to the new range). They may or may not occur in the same model (maybe not even the Vantage), so I will believe it when I see it from AM, not when Autocar publish some lazy article because they can't be bothered to look up what was actually said.For fear of being shot though, I'd love to try the V12 with a proper dual-clutch jobby, I bet that would be a serious bit of kit.
Does anybody know exactly when we're actually going to get to see the new Vantage in release form ?
I for one would not want to see the new vantage with a dual-clutch jobby, they are just dressed up boring automatics that are no fun to drive so I wouldn't care how fast it made it. Save the automatic boxes for the bigger GT cars please.
Also if they do put the V12 in, one would assume it would be the same as fitted to the DB11, so 600bhp not 650bhp, unless of course by the time they have got round to putting it a Vantage that the DB(11)S has been launched with 650bhp - then who knows which option they would take!
Edited by AdamV12V on Wednesday 2nd August 10:57
I guess time will tell. although what I would say is that when the current Vantage was launched, if somebody had mentioned putting the V12 in it i'm sure they would have been told it wasn't going to happen, never a chance etc etc, and look what happened.
For me it's not so much the power, it's the power delivery (and noise) which makes the V12 special. I have no doubt at all that a good driver could get the V8S round a track far quicker than I could the V12, so to me the power doesn't mean anything really, it's useless in todays world anyway. It's the fact that it has the V12 etc which is the draw (plus other odds and sods), and I can't see that changing. I personally think that we will see the V12 in the new Vantage, not from day one but I reckon it'll come as I reckon there'll be a demand for it.
As for the gearbox question, I love the Manual I have and have no plans to change that, although as an additional car I'd seriously look at the dual clutch when it's available. As for DC's being boring automatics, I've never heard of people saying the likes of the 911 Turbo S and the 488 are boring to drive (997 PDK was boring), but I get your point, there's much less involvement.
For me it's not so much the power, it's the power delivery (and noise) which makes the V12 special. I have no doubt at all that a good driver could get the V8S round a track far quicker than I could the V12, so to me the power doesn't mean anything really, it's useless in todays world anyway. It's the fact that it has the V12 etc which is the draw (plus other odds and sods), and I can't see that changing. I personally think that we will see the V12 in the new Vantage, not from day one but I reckon it'll come as I reckon there'll be a demand for it.
As for the gearbox question, I love the Manual I have and have no plans to change that, although as an additional car I'd seriously look at the dual clutch when it's available. As for DC's being boring automatics, I've never heard of people saying the likes of the 911 Turbo S and the 488 are boring to drive (997 PDK was boring), but I get your point, there's much less involvement.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/aston-...
They just might release something decent now they have a player worthy of the title of chief engineer
They just might release something decent now they have a player worthy of the title of chief engineer
Suggestions are for a launch at Frankfurt in September, but a PHer with an order placed, thought it might be December.
Whether there is a significant motor show in December, I do not know.
Perhaps an on-line launch, with a pre-ceremony registration to collect sales leads, and allow everyone to join in and feel part of the 'big day'. A jolly sight cheaper too, I expect.
Looking briefly at the photographs, the DB11 type air slot that we can see behind the front wheels, appears to be a duck tape bluff.
I think there is actually a vertical air slot below, which lines up with the indent running along the door.
If the car does eventually have a DB10 front, that to me is not a very happy looking face. A down at mouth look.
Where would people move their number plate to?
Can you get away with it stuck on the bonnet (E-type style) these days?
As the development cars up to now, have had DB11 dummy body disguise, why do AML not continue with that?
Is there an engineering technical reason for having to reveal more now, prior to the official launch?
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 2nd August 16:59
Jon39 said:
As the development cars up to now, have had DB11 dummy body disguise, why do AML not continue with that?
Is there an engineering technical reason for having to reveal more now, prior to the official launch?
There are plenty of engineering reasons why you move to the correct body with sticker disguise. You can't properly tune the suspension without the proper body and weight on the car, also the cooling can't be properly tested without it.Is there an engineering technical reason for having to reveal more now, prior to the official launch?
chesby said:
Andy Palmer has shared the articles from Autocar and Car magazine on Twitter.
The fact the cars have sponsor stickers on the side means by definition, these are cars that were meant to be seen. Rather like the 'spy shots' of DB11 volante that had release date stickers on the side. All part of the game - autocar & others photo them, andy palmer retweets them, aston haven't officially shown anything to anyone, but they start to heat up the interest in a forthcoming model
kith said:
Looks like the renders are spot on. Very DB10-like. Was hoping they would move the game on from a 2014 design.
I fail to see that Aston will commit to regurgitating a one off design to a car that will be a defining vehicle for the company in so many ways. Why don't we wait and see....?AMDBSVNick said:
I fail to see that Aston will commit to regurgitating a one off design to a car that will be a defining vehicle for the company in so many ways.
Of course we do not know what to believe, when insider comments are reported.
It was mentioned though, that the sketch spotted by Mr Sam Mendes, contained ideas for the next Vantage.
Possibly therefore, the DB10 was an early adapted version, of what was already intended to be the Mk2 Vantage.
'In September 2014, Spectre director Sam Mendes toured the Aston design studio, and fell in love with a simple sketch hanging on the wall.
Mendes insisted it become the new Bond car.'
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 2nd August 19:34
Heard at Le Mans they are launching the GTE car for next year's at the same as road car in 3 or 4 months and Prodrive heavily involved in both so earlier Frankfurt launch very probable - so should be close (if not already) to have full running prototypes for testing now.
Must certainly need to launch a V12 Vantage at some point as will have engine plant capacity as no longer doing V8 and to help recoup development costs on current DB11 main engine. Would make sense to launch V12 Vantage slightly later when DB11 coupe and Volante V12 demand has dropped off a bit.
Must certainly need to launch a V12 Vantage at some point as will have engine plant capacity as no longer doing V8 and to help recoup development costs on current DB11 main engine. Would make sense to launch V12 Vantage slightly later when DB11 coupe and Volante V12 demand has dropped off a bit.
RL17 said:
Heard at Le Mans they are launching the GTE car for next year's at the same as road car in 3 or 4 months and Prodrive heavily involved in both so earlier Frankfurt launch very probable - so should be close (if not already) to have full running prototypes for testing now.
Must certainly need to launch a V12 Vantage at some point as will have engine plant capacity as no longer doing V8 and to help recoup development costs on current DB11 main engine. Would make sense to launch V12 Vantage slightly later when DB11 coupe and Volante V12 demand has dropped off a bit.
I think you raise a couple of interesting points. Do we know for sure where the V8 engine will be built? I don't recall seeing it stated where it will be - just that it is based on the AMG engine so why shouldn't it be built in Cologne. I thought I had heard somewhere that there was no intention to build a V12 version of the DB11 Volante and it would only be in V8 form.Must certainly need to launch a V12 Vantage at some point as will have engine plant capacity as no longer doing V8 and to help recoup development costs on current DB11 main engine. Would make sense to launch V12 Vantage slightly later when DB11 coupe and Volante V12 demand has dropped off a bit.
As others have said, not sure there's a point in putting the V12 in the new Vantage (apart for the sheer hell of it like the previous version!), If the V8VS uses the same set up as the AMG GT-R @ 577 bhp, an AMR Vantage should be running around the 600bhp after some AML tweaking!
Edited by HBradley on Thursday 3rd August 14:06
IanV12VR said:
Do we know for sure where the V8 engine will be built?
I don't recall seeing it stated where it will be - just that it is based on the AMG engine so why shouldn't it be built in Cologne.
I don't recall seeing it stated where it will be - just that it is based on the AMG engine so why shouldn't it be built in Cologne.
Not based on, Ian. It is the AMG engine.
Information: https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/inn...
Watch it being built: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNhhjA4hhE
( It does state 4 litres, but I don't think I noticed turbochargers being fitted. Might be the correct factory, but wrong engine. )
Edited by Jon39 on Thursday 3rd August 17:26
Jon39 said:
Not based on, Ian. It is the AMG engine.
Information: https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/inn...
Watch it being built: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNhhjA4hhE
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