Discussion
Dewi 1 said:
Cheltenham then. Might meet you there.
Next Tuesday onwards, you will have to copy the Likely Lads. They were trying to avoid knowing a football result. Cannot remember what the twist at the end was
Ken Figenus said:
I prefer the 'eyes' from the DB10 as its unique and doesn't make one think of another marque begining M immediately. Its less 'revolution' than new Vantage but I >stuck in my ways< appreciate the heritage design cues that are kept.
I'm sure the front will get better with familiarity , but if looked like this the whole design would be perfect. Is the front carbon a delete option....,
RichB said:
codieskid said:
Still needs a number plate though, it may not work so well squeezed in
Jon39 said:
Beefmeister raises a very Interesting point.
Possibly, and this is purely a guess, that the change to a more 'shouty style' of design, and even the launch colour of the new Vantage, are signals that this car is aimed to attract the attention of Lamborghini enthusiasts.
Now, what car does Beefmeister like ?
( answer on profile page - note the colour )
Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 25th November 09:11
They should be the same price, positioned differently in the market. To me the new Vantage is for those who bought the GT8, or aspire to. In the past the DB9 and Vantage played to the same theme with slight variation.
The Vantage ( at least until the V12) as the entry level model, the DB9 next up the line.
Now it's more of a taste thing - track/performance = Vantage
Gentleman style with agility = DB11 V8
Full GT luxury = DB11 V12
Maybe they should have changed the Vantage name to distance it from the style and heritage of the loved older model?
This is supported by the price structure as a Vantage with a few spec items sits at the V8 DB11 range, which has a bit more spec to start .
THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THE VANTAGE
My configuratir output . From this angle it looks really well proportioned,
I think the new wing vents work very well.
The window line with a bit of chrome to highlight is nicely updated and distinctive.
The rear lights and boot shape incorporating the spoiler is very good.
The positioning of the wheels in the arches is much improved, no need for spacers now.
From this angle it is Aston Martin. With the traditional colour choice it tones down the diffuser and splitter, bringing out the other features which are all rather good.
will see it Tuesday so hopefully the nose grows on me then.
Totally convinced the drive will be a leap forward as well
My configuratir output . From this angle it looks really well proportioned,
I think the new wing vents work very well.
The window line with a bit of chrome to highlight is nicely updated and distinctive.
The rear lights and boot shape incorporating the spoiler is very good.
The positioning of the wheels in the arches is much improved, no need for spacers now.
From this angle it is Aston Martin. With the traditional colour choice it tones down the diffuser and splitter, bringing out the other features which are all rather good.
will see it Tuesday so hopefully the nose grows on me then.
Totally convinced the drive will be a leap forward as well
The Surveyor said:
They could have saved that quote for the Aston Martin headstone sat in amongst the graveyard of all the other once-great British manufacturers.
I thought the current AM engines were built in Germany by Ford, in which case its like the Spitfire design given to the Germans to build properly for us....
66MK said:
...to build properly for us....!! My ar5e. A strangely British phenomenon this - to rubbish your own. Come on Wayne, all pull together!
Sorry, it was my sarcasm regarding the comment about German involvement. Just pointing out that some Teutonic chaps may have had the odd input into Aston before.. if only to turn the factory lights on !We could look at as Aston have taken an OK base engine, added a little Aston magic to tune response and noise and a proper rear transaxle to create a much better sports car in looks and proportion than the donor company managed.
Hopefully will demonstrate improved handling finesse as well.
3 hours to seeing it - warming up the Vantage to go see his young brother
Just got back from HROwen Vantage launch .
The new car is a stunning designl, and the controversial front actually looked right when standing next to it.
For the new era I think it hits the target in the same way old Vantage did on launch.
Old Vantsge changed the game due to its looks but it took some while to get performance and speed it needed. The new car should be tight on the money here, with a very clean design
Will it replace Old Vantage in Aston hearts, no, but creates a new desire all of its own.
If I was 20 years younger and dreaming of future cars I could buy if I worked hard it would certainly be on my wall like the current was for me over the last 12 years.
I have my dream, the next generation now have theirs . We'll be the pipe and slippers old Aston owners of tomorrow, and happy the brand will do the same for the next successful generation .
Well done Aston , and thanks to HR Owen for the evening
The new car is a stunning designl, and the controversial front actually looked right when standing next to it.
For the new era I think it hits the target in the same way old Vantage did on launch.
Old Vantsge changed the game due to its looks but it took some while to get performance and speed it needed. The new car should be tight on the money here, with a very clean design
Will it replace Old Vantage in Aston hearts, no, but creates a new desire all of its own.
If I was 20 years younger and dreaming of future cars I could buy if I worked hard it would certainly be on my wall like the current was for me over the last 12 years.
I have my dream, the next generation now have theirs . We'll be the pipe and slippers old Aston owners of tomorrow, and happy the brand will do the same for the next successful generation .
Well done Aston , and thanks to HR Owen for the evening
avinalarf said:
I don't dislike the styling of the new Vantage but can understand that it does not appeal to everybody.
Of more interest to me is where AM are positioning themselves price wise.
For example the base price of a Porsche 911 is circa £78K and a Cayman £43K whilst the Vantage is £121K.
How much do you think this price difference will affect a prospective purchaser ?
Also In the past a 3/5 years old Vantage would sell at circa £40/50K which is when many on PH find it affordable,this important price point will not be the case with the new Vantage.
If it is the intention of AM to increase production I'm wondering whether this strategy of hiking up their prices will help in this regard.
I think Porsche now have the 80-100k sports car market to themselves, except for the F-Type what competition do they have in bespoke sports cars?Of more interest to me is where AM are positioning themselves price wise.
For example the base price of a Porsche 911 is circa £78K and a Cayman £43K whilst the Vantage is £121K.
How much do you think this price difference will affect a prospective purchaser ?
Also In the past a 3/5 years old Vantage would sell at circa £40/50K which is when many on PH find it affordable,this important price point will not be the case with the new Vantage.
If it is the intention of AM to increase production I'm wondering whether this strategy of hiking up their prices will help in this regard.
Aston now pitching the Vantage against Mclaren, Audi R8, AMG, rather than as an "affordable" Aston. Their volumes are way different to 911, and the Vantage never took significant sales from Porsche in the past, so a move up market in a lower volume sector may see more profit, if not significantly more volume
A shame for those of us not wealthy enough, so grab your old Vantage now and live the dream as the brand will run away from us
Jon39 said:
Yes, very interesting design, although not for me to own. I think it is a Toyata Supra concept. Note the rear wing slots away out of sight.
We all remember 'Charlotte'. She is the wealthy American buyer, that the DBX is being aimed at.
Well I found out today, that the new Vantage has also been designed for a specific buyer.
MARCUS is a 38 year old German banker. He appreciates Anglo-Saxon design, appreciates handmade. Wants a weekend warrior, they can go and do track days with. "This is where you’re starting to get to the definition of the customer. And then, you design with that in mind." AP.
But of course Marcus doesn't trust British engineering, so use German engine and electronic architecture....
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 7th February 16:06
Marcusv8vantage said:
guten Abend , piston people ,
Please English my excuse,
I vonnt to introduce myself I have just placed ein deposit of many marks on a new aston Martin vantage
I am so happy at zee38 and being zee banker I never thought of an aston but veen I saw it it was einstantly me hand made and a veekend track day veapon
Mine partner Charlotte is looking for ein staff car I hope there is something for my froline
I vill post more as and ven it just feels so right for me as if it vas meant to be
Marcus
Marcus, welcome , I am very glad you can now afford an Aston since the financial centre has moved to Germany due to brexit and your income is in a much higher bracket.Please English my excuse,
I vonnt to introduce myself I have just placed ein deposit of many marks on a new aston Martin vantage
I am so happy at zee38 and being zee banker I never thought of an aston but veen I saw it it was einstantly me hand made and a veekend track day veapon
Mine partner Charlotte is looking for ein staff car I hope there is something for my froline
I vill post more as and ven it just feels so right for me as if it vas meant to be
Marcus
Is there anything else you would like that we can help with. Maybe stop brewing ales and make English chemical free lager for you to drink
RichB said:
And traditional too, obviously playing on Aston Martin's heritage - DB2/4 grey, black wheels and a hint of yellow (the British Racing & Sports Car Club badge and the trafficators ) 
What a terrible front grill on that db2, its huge and looks droopy. Surely they did a quick face lift after launch . Can't believe they did that to such a beautiful shape 
RichB said:
Wayne, remember this was early 1950s so over 60 years ago and was kind of an evolution of the Aston pre-war grill. The DB MkIII (pictured below) was an evolution of that and set the standard for what has become the Aston grill shape ever since.
Thanks Rich,My comment was a little tongue in cheek!
However, having seen this one it actually shows the new Vantage as having much more heritage than I thought, with a larger grill area than the millennial Astons.
Its changed my mind on the new shape ....
tuffer said:
Order placed, now need to pick a colour........which is proving rather difficult.
Well done that man!There's some great ideas on this thread
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=17...
RobDown said:
Kevin - I think you need to take the blinkers off and re-read that review with a more neutral starting perspective. 4.5 starts out of 5 - “better than a 911 in many ways” (and not in others) and a good alternative to the 911.
That’s high praise indeed given how highly rated the 911 is. So the Vantage looks like it might take sales away from Porsche for owners looking for something with a bit more soul. Not sure AM could ask for more with their base model introduction
Watched the video - very good. I'll take mine in the raw aluminium chassis, that looks beautiful engineering.That’s high praise indeed given how highly rated the 911 is. So the Vantage looks like it might take sales away from Porsche for owners looking for something with a bit more soul. Not sure AM could ask for more with their base model introduction
AstonV said:
I scanned through some of the written reviews and Marek Reichman. is very defensive of his teensy headlights. Design was sacrificed for the sake on engineering and serviceability. Luckily he does have large hands.
Just seen the PH video. With the headlights on it looks much better, and love it in that grey.Edited by AstonV on Friday 13th April 16:59
The car just needs to be seen moving to bring the shape alive
Saw my first one out in the wild today along the A45 by Coventry. Car in dark-ish grey with black wheels etc
It looked extremely purposeful and had real presence.
The basic shape is spot on, and the actually the nose treatment worked too.
The form/function balance has shifted with the Vantage towards function, and for the sports car of the range I now think it works. Want smooth - go DB11, want performance focus go Vantage.
Maybe Andy and the team just need us to catch up with where they are - not unusual when making bold design choices
It looked extremely purposeful and had real presence.
The basic shape is spot on, and the actually the nose treatment worked too.
The form/function balance has shifted with the Vantage towards function, and for the sports car of the range I now think it works. Want smooth - go DB11, want performance focus go Vantage.
Maybe Andy and the team just need us to catch up with where they are - not unusual when making bold design choices
Venturist said:
That’s all I took. Too painful.
I think the silver looks good, the shape is quite bold and the bright colours can make it too much, traditional Aston colours do work IMHO
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