New Vantage?

[MarkM3Evoplus]

Beefmeister said:

AMVSVNick said:

Both doors appear to open perfectly. Testament to the safety of the car.

Yep, that’ll be because the engine is set so far back. Lots of lovely metal to crumple in that nose.

The reason I find Tuffer’s posts so hard to read, is that I don’t think I’ve driven a more confidence inspiring 500hp car. I got in and drove it non stop for 4hrs, hard across all kinds of roads and it was flawless.

Maybe suspension geometry was a little out. Some cars are very sensitive and a small misalignment can cause big handling issues?

New cars have been delivered badly out of alignment

[RobDown]

Venturist said:

Forza Horizon 4 clearly demonstrates how UK stone-built walls have minimal impact on speed.

Unfortunately the driver forgot to turn off “crash damage” before playing

[RichB]

Jon39 said:

Beefmeister said:

Jon39 said:

You are of course correct Tim, but I read tuffer's comment as being simply a witticism.
I have not driven a new Vantage, but the handling is probably even better than the original model. When the stones, presumably from a wall, can be seen scattered across a field, there was clearly some speed and force involved, but of the many possible causes, they could even include a heart attack at the wheel. Leaving that cause aside, hopefully the occupant(s) were not injured.

Sadly looking at his following posts, he was serious.

Yes, you are right.

I don't know what other posts you are referring to so perhaps the circumstances of this accident are known but those pictures tell us nothing other than the car hit the stonewall at speed. Perhaps deer ran into the road, perhaps a tractor pulled out of a field who knows but the speed limit is 60 and I reckon hitting a wall at that speed the car would go straight through it like this one. Unless I've missed something, I don't think you can say it was 'the handling' or the driver speeding.

[Beefmeister]

RichB said:

I don't know what other posts you are referring to so perhaps the circumstances of this accident are known but those pictures tell us nothing other than the car hit the stonewall at speed. Perhaps deer ran into the road, perhaps a tractor pulled out of a field who knows but the speed limit is 60 and I reckon hitting a wall at that speed the car would go straight through it like this one. Unless I've missed something, I don't think you can say it was 'the handling' or the driver speeding.

That’s the point. Tuffers posted the photos claiming it shows that the handling is dodgy on the new Vantage. Which is complete nonsense.

[RichB]

I assumed perhaps there were some additional posts because people refer to the driver as being in a serious condition?

[tuffer]

Beefmeister said:

RichB said:

I don't know what other posts you are referring to so perhaps the circumstances of this accident are known but those pictures tell us nothing other than the car hit the stonewall at speed. Perhaps deer ran into the road, perhaps a tractor pulled out of a field who knows but the speed limit is 60 and I reckon hitting a wall at that speed the car would go straight through it like this one. Unless I've missed something, I don't think you can say it was 'the handling' or the driver speeding.

That’s the point. Tuffers posted the photos claiming it shows that the handling is dodgy on the new Vantage. Which is complete nonsense.

OK, let me amend my comment. I personally felt the handling was less than confidence inspiring, others may feel differently. In completely unrelated news, here is a picture of one that appears to have driven through a wall at some speed into a field.

[RobDown]

All seems fair enough. It was your choice to buy or not buy the car. We all have reasons one way or the other, rational or otherwise

Move on

[V8LM]

Simon Lane said:

Just to give you some comfort......here it is with bonnet shut correctly!

Thank you.

[AlexT]

Rappa said:

We'll soon see how they handle when one races in DTM:

Aston Martin DTM entry announced for 2019 replacing Mercedes

https://uk.motor1.com/news/269446/aston-martin-dtm...

Sean

The New Vantage GT3 vs Audi R8 V10 LMS....the Aston Martin goes on to just beat the R8 LMS (not shown) finishing 4th position overall behind the SP9 AMG & M6 GT3 cars for this recent VLM race.

I'd say that the new Vantage GT3 handles pretty impressively....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ3ejSg_-08

[Jon39]

Rappa said:

We'll soon see how they handle when one races in DTM:

Aston Martin DTM entry announced for 2019 replacing Mercedes

I am certainly not criticising the handling of the new Vantage, which as I have already mentioned, have not driven, but expect it is an improvement on the already good original.

I don't think the DTM car can be compared.
In the early days of DTM, the cars were indeed modified road cars.
They later became pure racing cars, fitted with bodies to give the appearance of manufacturers' road cars.
The performance therefore has nothing to do with road cars.

When there were a large number of competitors, it was remarkable how the lap times of the front and back of the grids, were so close.

[CSK1]

See the mid-engined 911 race car which is a totally different car than the road going version.

[Likeomg]

Have a demo next week,

any tips pointers etc to maximise my two days with it? currently a V12sr owner..

[Beefmeister]

Just drive it! As much as you can!

[AlexT]

New Vantage: Sunday Times Sports Car of the Year 2018: https://www.driving.co.uk/news/sunday-times-motor-...

"....most accomplished Aston yet". What were the rating benchmarks? I keep seeing evidence of quality control issues with initial production cars. The latest I've seen is on an Alex Choi video where his mechanic picks out poor fitting (?) trim issues in the rear hatch and door latch areas. It was mostly edited out so not sure of the specifics, but not something I'd expect in the long run from Aston Martin in their new world-beater sports car.

On a demo, I myself picked out an issue with the centre leather AM logo-ed 'lapel' directly behind the seats. It was flapping around, having detached entirely being poorly secured with multiple strips adhesive double sided velcro. This is probably something new owners should inspect carefully as I don't think the issue adhesive will hold unless AM has changed the fastening method.

Another minor issue I found is how tinny and light the doors sound/feel when they are closed compared to say a DB11. I was expecting a reassuring 'thud'. Maybe some weight (or rather cost!) saving measures going on there....

Nevertheless, the general reviews regarding the car's performance do sound encouraging. I think an 'S' version would be excellent.

[AdamV12AMR]

AlexT said:

New Vantage: Sunday Times Sports Car of the Year 2018: https://www.driving.co.uk/news/sunday-times-motor-...

"Where the last model was assembled from a parts bin made of crummy bits of Fords and Volvos, this one has technology from Mercedes-Benz"

Predictably lazy journalism

[Jon39]

AdamV12AMR said:

AlexT said:

New Vantage: Sunday Times Sports Car of the Year 2018: https://www.driving.co.uk/news/sunday-times-motor-...

"Where the last model was assembled from a parts bin made of crummy bits of Fords and Volvos, this one has technology from Mercedes-Benz"

Predictably lazy journalism

Yes, and the 'technology from Mercedes-Benz' is not the sophisticated S-class technology, but the iPad stuck on afterwards, A-class technology.

A small detail, but such a shame when spending £150,000 (with options).

Edited by Jon39 on Monday 15th October 12:43

[AlexT]

Regarding the borrowed tech, it's an interesting one.

The new Vantage actually doesn't even have A-class tech. The new A-class is now truly next gen with full digital displays including Benz's new Augmented Reality for the navigation system. AM are actually 2 generations behind Benz.

So I agree, the tech doesn't particuarly appeal at this price point which is a bit of a shame because this could have been an opportunity for AM to revolutionise its range tech-wise; the exterior looks are so beautifully futuristic you'd expect the tech to match at this level. I'm thinking the DBX will be their platform for this.

The facelift AMG GT next year may receive a raft of tech updates that would lift it up one level to the current gen of Benz tech. Currently, IMO Audi/Lambo are already ahead. Bentley with their new Conti GT too.

The only only tech advantage the new Vantage has versus the competition is, in my opinion, the inclusion of a 360 degree camera. Which really is great.

[AdamV12AMR]

AlexT said:

The only only tech advantage the new Vantage has versus the competition is, in my opinion, the inclusion of a 360 degree camera. Which really is great.

And then you lose CarPlay / Android Auto, so in some cases it's going backwards!

With the latest iOS update, having Waze and Google Maps on the screen via CarPlay (in my Ford/Volvo Parts Bin Special) was a revelation and is now genuinely a barrier for to upgrading to a new Vantage or DB11.

[AstonV]

AlexT said:

. The latest I've seen is on an Alex Choi video where his mechanic picks out poor fitting (?) trim issues in the rear hatch and door latch areas. It was mostly edited out so not sure of the specifics, but not something I'd expect in the long run from Aston Martin in their new world-beater sports car.

Alex Choi, that's too funny.

[Jon39]

AstonV said:

Alex Choi, that's too funny.

What have I missed here?

Thought it should be spelt Chai, to make a connection with T.