Discussion
indapendentlee said:
I think if you want a high spec approved car for £100k you are probably 12 months from that point, the cheapest cars are around 105k for an OK spec at the moment.
I saw approx 60 cars in the PH classifieds, like you say starting at c105K, I reckon 100K would get you a car if you asked. You could probably get a new one for 120K if you were prepared to haggle.
Pesty said:
tuffer said:
I saw approx 60 cars in the PH classifieds, like you say starting at c105K, I reckon 100K would get you a car if you asked. You could probably get a new one for 120K if you were prepared to haggle.
So when do these first cars reach 30k Asking for a poor friend
The list price for new Vantage crops up as an issue quite frequently. I think a while back, one of my now customary, wide-of-the-mark posts (to be ignored at all costs remember ), I mentioned that the comparative list prices for the Vantage's rivals, had risen to the tune of around £20k over the period since the VH Vantage 4.3 V8 was first launched.
The belief that new Vantage should be offered at the ~£95k the old one was, is wishful thinking IMO because things have simply moved on, not so much on just the car's ability, but on car maker's pricing structures in general - stuff just costs more now, and Aston needs to make a profit if it's to grow. Of course you can spec it as wildly as you like and go carbon crazy, landing at £160k, but a tastefully specced car with all the necessary bits, comes to around £130-135k. For that you get a hand built, bespoke car that shows a McLaren 540C a clean pair of heels (assuming driving dynamics matter). I don't believe that's taking the piss when you get a car that dynamically quite phenomenal, while feeling still like an Aston (to me at least).
Aston probably should have charged more for the V8VS by the end of its production run, but in all honesty, it wasn't substantially different to the car that started production as the 4.3, so it would have been cheeky to ramp up the price for a car that was a big change from the original. Strangely though, did anyone complain about the cost of some bonnet stripes, contrast coloured welts etc on the AMR cars?
Entry level as Vantage is in the range, it's able to throw big punches at rival manufacturers. Had it sported a home-brewed V8, the price wouldn't be what we see today, it would likely be more. I think some underestimate how out of date the old car was and how big a step change was needed for the new Vantage to be on level pegging with alternatives. It achieved that by using the very best V8 available today, all while giving it some of its own character.
Comparisons to the very recently announced base 992 Carrera, aren't surprising because it's come at a convenient time if the agenda is to say Vantage is overpriced. For so long there was an argument that Vantage and 911 weren't sparring partners and shouldn't be compared (one's a 2+2 GT, one's a 2 seater sports car), and yet today because the 992 Carrera pops up at an attractive price, it's assumed Vantage should be offered at the same money.
I really should know better following the dressing down I received on the share price thread though
), I mentioned that the comparative list prices for the Vantage's rivals, had risen to the tune of around £20k over the period since the VH Vantage 4.3 V8 was first launched. The belief that new Vantage should be offered at the ~£95k the old one was, is wishful thinking IMO because things have simply moved on, not so much on just the car's ability, but on car maker's pricing structures in general - stuff just costs more now, and Aston needs to make a profit if it's to grow. Of course you can spec it as wildly as you like and go carbon crazy, landing at £160k, but a tastefully specced car with all the necessary bits, comes to around £130-135k. For that you get a hand built, bespoke car that shows a McLaren 540C a clean pair of heels (assuming driving dynamics matter). I don't believe that's taking the piss when you get a car that dynamically quite phenomenal, while feeling still like an Aston (to me at least).
Aston probably should have charged more for the V8VS by the end of its production run, but in all honesty, it wasn't substantially different to the car that started production as the 4.3, so it would have been cheeky to ramp up the price for a car that was a big change from the original. Strangely though, did anyone complain about the cost of some bonnet stripes, contrast coloured welts etc on the AMR cars?
Entry level as Vantage is in the range, it's able to throw big punches at rival manufacturers. Had it sported a home-brewed V8, the price wouldn't be what we see today, it would likely be more. I think some underestimate how out of date the old car was and how big a step change was needed for the new Vantage to be on level pegging with alternatives. It achieved that by using the very best V8 available today, all while giving it some of its own character.
Comparisons to the very recently announced base 992 Carrera, aren't surprising because it's come at a convenient time if the agenda is to say Vantage is overpriced. For so long there was an argument that Vantage and 911 weren't sparring partners and shouldn't be compared (one's a 2+2 GT, one's a 2 seater sports car), and yet today because the 992 Carrera pops up at an attractive price, it's assumed Vantage should be offered at the same money.
I really should know better following the dressing down I received on the share price thread though
NFC 85 Vette said:
The list price for new Vantage crops up as an issue quite frequently. I think a while back, one of my now customary, wide-of-the-mark posts (to be ignored at all costs remember ), I mentioned that the comparative list prices for the Vantage's rivals, had risen to the tune of around £20k over the period since the VH Vantage 4.3 V8 was first launched.
The belief that new Vantage should be offered at the ~£95k the old one was, is wishful thinking IMO because things have simply moved on, not so much on just the car's ability, but on car maker's pricing structures in general - stuff just costs more now, and Aston needs to make a profit if it's to grow. Of course you can spec it as wildly as you like and go carbon crazy, landing at £160k, but a tastefully specced car with all the necessary bits, comes to around £130-135k. For that you get a hand built, bespoke car that shows a McLaren 540C a clean pair of heels (assuming driving dynamics matter). I don't believe that's taking the piss when you get a car that dynamically quite phenomenal, while feeling still like an Aston (to me at least).
Aston probably should have charged more for the V8VS by the end of its production run, but in all honesty, it wasn't substantially different to the car that started production as the 4.3, so it would have been cheeky to ramp up the price for a car that was a big change from the original. Strangely though, did anyone complain about the cost of some bonnet stripes, contrast coloured welts etc on the AMR cars?
Entry level as Vantage is in the range, it's able to throw big punches at rival manufacturers. Had it sported a home-brewed V8, the price wouldn't be what we see today, it would likely be more. I think some underestimate how out of date the old car was and how big a step change was needed for the new Vantage to be on level pegging with alternatives. It achieved that by using the very best V8 available today, all while giving it some of its own character.
Comparisons to the very recently announced base 992 Carrera, aren't surprising because it's come at a convenient time if the agenda is to say Vantage is overpriced. For so long there was an argument that Vantage and 911 weren't sparring partners and shouldn't be compared (one's a 2+2 GT, one's a 2 seater sports car), and yet today because the 992 Carrera pops up at an attractive price, it's assumed Vantage should be offered at the same money.
I really should know better following the dressing down I received on the share price thread though
Hmm shows a 540C a clean pair of heels? I'd have to see that to believe it tbh ), I mentioned that the comparative list prices for the Vantage's rivals, had risen to the tune of around £20k over the period since the VH Vantage 4.3 V8 was first launched. The belief that new Vantage should be offered at the ~£95k the old one was, is wishful thinking IMO because things have simply moved on, not so much on just the car's ability, but on car maker's pricing structures in general - stuff just costs more now, and Aston needs to make a profit if it's to grow. Of course you can spec it as wildly as you like and go carbon crazy, landing at £160k, but a tastefully specced car with all the necessary bits, comes to around £130-135k. For that you get a hand built, bespoke car that shows a McLaren 540C a clean pair of heels (assuming driving dynamics matter). I don't believe that's taking the piss when you get a car that dynamically quite phenomenal, while feeling still like an Aston (to me at least).
Aston probably should have charged more for the V8VS by the end of its production run, but in all honesty, it wasn't substantially different to the car that started production as the 4.3, so it would have been cheeky to ramp up the price for a car that was a big change from the original. Strangely though, did anyone complain about the cost of some bonnet stripes, contrast coloured welts etc on the AMR cars?
Entry level as Vantage is in the range, it's able to throw big punches at rival manufacturers. Had it sported a home-brewed V8, the price wouldn't be what we see today, it would likely be more. I think some underestimate how out of date the old car was and how big a step change was needed for the new Vantage to be on level pegging with alternatives. It achieved that by using the very best V8 available today, all while giving it some of its own character.
Comparisons to the very recently announced base 992 Carrera, aren't surprising because it's come at a convenient time if the agenda is to say Vantage is overpriced. For so long there was an argument that Vantage and 911 weren't sparring partners and shouldn't be compared (one's a 2+2 GT, one's a 2 seater sports car), and yet today because the 992 Carrera pops up at an attractive price, it's assumed Vantage should be offered at the same money.
I really should know better following the dressing down I received on the share price thread though
quench said:
If you really believe that, you must be living in a parallel universe, where black is white and one is zero.
Well I saw it with my own eyes, because I was at the wheel of the Vantage, and the chap behind me in his 540C was struggling to keep up on some brisk B-roads. Perhaps it would have been a different story on track.On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
NFC 85 Vette said:
quench said:
If you really believe that, you must be living in a parallel universe, where black is white and one is zero.
Well I saw it with my own eyes, because I was at the wheel of the Vantage, and the chap behind me in his 540C was struggling to keep up on some brisk B-roads. Perhaps it would have been a different story on track.On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
It's refreshing to read your erudite contributions and I enjoy reading them.
Edited by avinalarf on Tuesday 30th July 16:57
NFC 85 Vette said:
Well I saw it with my own eyes, because I was at the wheel of the Vantage, and the chap behind me in his 540C was struggling to keep up on some brisk B-roads. Perhaps it would have been a different story on track.
On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
What a pity.On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
This place hasn't been the same for a good few years, used to be a complete hoot.
Suspect it will go the way of AMOC
NFC 85 Vette said:
Well I saw it with my own eyes, because I was at the wheel of the Vantage, and the chap behind me in his 540C was struggling to keep up on some brisk B-roads. Perhaps it would have been a different story on track.
On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
That was probably down to the other driver rather than the car .On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
franki68 said:
That was probably down to the other driver rather than the car .
^ ^ ^ Absolutely. All things being equal, the 540C should handily outperform the Vantage on road or track.@ NCF 85 Vette, apologies if my post offended you so greatly. Do stay and I will try to be more civilized next time
cymario said:
Hi, Some help and views would be appreciated.
I have wanted to buy the new Vantage for a while now but have held off as the prices of used cars keeps falling and want to try and get in at the right time.
Anyone know what the market will do going forward in the short term for these. They are losing a lot of money now but presumably they will reach a price point where the depreciation will start to slow down a lot??
Want to look for a high spec car and pay around £100k for an approved used car.
Any views??
A couple have already been through the ring at BCA sites and made early 90`s, its only the manufacturer contribs on new cars keeping stock sitting up at the dealer forecourt prices. The used ones are sticking as the incentives for buying a new one just make buying used pointless.I have wanted to buy the new Vantage for a while now but have held off as the prices of used cars keeps falling and want to try and get in at the right time.
Anyone know what the market will do going forward in the short term for these. They are losing a lot of money now but presumably they will reach a price point where the depreciation will start to slow down a lot??
Want to look for a high spec car and pay around £100k for an approved used car.
Any views??
Rapid rental said:
A couple have already been through the ring at BCA sites and made early 90`s, its only the manufacturer contribs on new cars keeping stock sitting up at the dealer forecourt prices. The used ones are sticking as the incentives for buying a new one just make buying used pointless.
Some years ago I bought auction cars for my children. One of the cars was only a year old and cost just 40% of the new list price. It is still in regular use. There was a faulty door lock at the time of purchase, but most cars now have a 3 year manufacturer's warranty, so the car went straight to the local main dealer, who provided a free loan car. Felt a bit of a fraud as we had paid so little, but if you can spot a new Vantage at auction, remember it should have a lengthy AML warranty.
NFC 85 Vette said:
Well I saw it with my own eyes, because I was at the wheel of the Vantage, and the chap behind me in his 540C was struggling to keep up on some brisk B-roads. Perhaps it would have been a different story on track.
On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
NFC 85 Vette I wouldn't bother listening to them. There was a time when people could disagree and the rebuttal was slightly more interesting than what we've seen on this forum of late.On a different note, having been ridiculed quite a bit in recent days for stating an opinion different to the majority of you, it's probably time to bow out - it's a shame that this corner of the forum has become so toxic in recent times. You're all welcome to come over to the readers cars section and ridicule the 4000 horsepower Corvette my idiocy managed to fabricate though.
Cheers
Don't feed the trolls.
AMVSVNick said:
What a pity.
This place hasn't been the same for a good few years, used to be a complete hoot.
Suspect it will go the way of AMOC
Third-party reports mention AMOC as being argumentative based on superior knowledge. This place seems to require an absence of it for insults to be thrown.This place hasn't been the same for a good few years, used to be a complete hoot.
Suspect it will go the way of AMOC
In fairness, many contributors add heaps of value. Special mentions to Nijius Maximus for the V12 Vantage S and R8 V10 review and Mr.Tremlini for his diary of V8 Vantage ownership.
I hope none of the regular and brilliant members of this forum leaves based on a couple of poorly-worded remarks.
I think even that base Carrera will be more or less £100k when essential options have been added i,e proper wheels for a start.
So i don't think the new Vantage is priced that much out. Oversupply is the main problem these days.
As for the Mclaren, i could not care less if it was twice as fast as the Aston i would not buy one!
So i don't think the new Vantage is priced that much out. Oversupply is the main problem these days.
As for the Mclaren, i could not care less if it was twice as fast as the Aston i would not buy one!
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