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AdamV12V said:
I think your digging yourself in a hole Jon, but for the sake of my curiosity can you explain why the new Vantage and the Honda's rear light strip are unacceptable and the One-77 is OK, unless of course you feel the One-77 is also Vegas/Blackpool-esque?
Yes, you have caught me there Adam.
I have never even seen a One-77 on the road, let alone been annoyed by being behind one at traffic lights.
Have you seen the indicator lights on some Audis (although perhaps not, because they don't often work), where the light gradually illuminates from one end of the strip, 1950s neon style ?
Jon39 said:
Have you seen the indicator lights on some Audis (although perhaps not, because they don't often work), where the light gradually illuminates from one end of the strip, 1950s neon style ?
Personally I don't wound up by too many brake LEDS - I would rather the car in front had too many than not enough!
Jon39 said:
Have you seen the indicator lights on some Audis (although perhaps not, because they don't often work), where the light gradually illuminates from one end of the strip, 1950s neon style ?
Ha, I have those on my Audi S3 saloon....I quite like them as something "different" when I see them on other cars but of course I never see mine. And yes I do indicate.....:-)
Nothingspecial said:
Jon39 said:
Have you seen the indicator lights on some Audis (although perhaps not, because they don't often work), where the light gradually illuminates from one end of the strip, 1950s neon style ?
Ha, I have those on my Audi S3 saloon....I quite like them as something "different" when I see them on other cars but of course I never see mine. And yes I do indicate.....:-)
https://www.facebook.com/divinatech/videos/1138689...
For me the Vantage is affordable ( just), but a its whole different market sector with starting prices 180k +.
I think the very latest entry level Ferrari (The Portofino) will have a list price in UK closer to £150k than £180k and comes with fold down hard top as standard.
Different cars but to me The Portofino is the direct competitor to the Vantage.
ajr550 said:
For me the Vantage is affordable ( just), but a its whole different market sector with starting prices 180k +.
I think the very latest entry level Ferrari (The Portofino) will have a list price in UK closer to £150k than £180k and comes with fold down hard top as standard.
Different cars but to me The Portofino is the direct competitor to the Vantage.
Interesting- the current vantage was a 911 competitor - with the current 911S at 87k, but now it's low end Ferrari at 120k start and upwards.I think the very latest entry level Ferrari (The Portofino) will have a list price in UK closer to £150k than £180k and comes with fold down hard top as standard.
Different cars but to me The Portofino is the direct competitor to the Vantage.
Definitely going up market .
would love a 450ho starter model sub 100k. Less tech but pure driving experience and beatiful. Guess I'll have to keep my V8V and watch its classic value go up
ajr550 said:
For me the Vantage is affordable ( just), but a its whole different market sector with starting prices 180k +.
You'd have to ticket every single option to get to 180k. Starts around 125k and a good spec sub 150k. A lot of money, but not starting, or likely finishing near 180kUpperworks said:
You'd have to ticket every single option to get to 180k. Starts around 125k and a good spec sub 150k. A lot of money, but not starting, or likely finishing near 180k
I think you need to look at the latest pricing again, especially if you start with a roadster. Lightweights, B&O, a few Q options and you're right up there and beyond. Interesting people comparing the Vantage with Mclaren, completely different experience for me. I'd say the California and now the Portofino are closer comparisons than the 570S/GT. I think if people drove a 570 then a Vantage or a California back to back, they'd understand the differences.
Edited by C997 on Friday 20th October 02:30
C997 said:
I think you need to look at the latest pricing again, especially if you start with a roadster. Lightweights, B&O, a few Q options and you're right up there and beyond.
Interesting people comparing the Vantage with Mclaren, completely different experience for me. I'd say the California and now the Portofino are closer comparisons than the 570S/GT. I think if people drove a 570 then a Vantage or a California back to back, they'd understand the differences.
What are you on about? There isn’t a roadster yet, B&O isn’t on the options list this time, etc Interesting people comparing the Vantage with Mclaren, completely different experience for me. I'd say the California and now the Portofino are closer comparisons than the 570S/GT. I think if people drove a 570 then a Vantage or a California back to back, they'd understand the differences.
Edited by C997 on Friday 20th October 02:30
Yup, you're right, I was on a different thread. It was 4am! :-)
divetheworld said:
Nothingspecial said:
Jon39 said:
Have you seen the indicator lights on some Audis (although perhaps not, because they don't often work), where the light gradually illuminates from one end of the strip, 1950s neon style ?
Ha, I have those on my Audi S3 saloon....I quite like them as something "different" when I see them on other cars but of course I never see mine. And yes I do indicate.....:-)
https://www.facebook.com/divinatech/videos/1138689...
Upperworks said:
ajr550 said:
For me the Vantage is affordable ( just), but a its whole different market sector with starting prices 180k +.
You'd have to ticket every single option to get to 180k. Starts around 125k and a good spec sub 150k. A lot of money, but not starting, or likely finishing near 180kIt was not suggested that the next Vantage would be £180k.
That theoretical figure was purely mentioned, because AP comments about the attractions of following the Ferrari business model, and Rob's suggestion that very wealthy luxury goods customers, help to maintain production levels during economic recessions.
Not knowing the starting price of new Ferraris, I found a figure of £180k, but it has now been pointed out there is a £150k model.
The only base price that has been suggested on here recently is c. £125k
If the entry/launch Vantage engine has similar characteristics to V8 DB11, it will have almost as much power as 'gen 1' V12V (503 against 510), more torque than V12VS (498 plays 450 odd) and will probably be as fast or faster as V12VS, depending which yardstick you are using (acceleration, top speed, lap times ?)
Base price of outgoing V12VS was 140kish. Base price of a somewhat dated V8 Vantage, due a complete replacement several years ago, and now to be replaced by something that is at least a two generation leap over outgoing vantage, was almost 100k. So the price of new vantage, if it's been correctly reported on here, sits between the price of outgoing v8v and v12vs. Sounds about right to me
It's fine to talk about what the price is with extras, but only if the comparisons are made like with like. I've seen mention on here of what the price of Vantage might be with lots of extras including Q (I assume with a £10k minimum spend given the way Q is going to be applied now, unless one is just talking a few of the 'Q parts'). That's fine, but does anyone know what kind of spends are involved if you go down Ferrari Atelier or Tailor Made ? Makes Q look bargain basement.
Finally, DB11 includes free servicing for 5 years and they announced each new model after DB11 would come with something similar (I wonder if that includes Valkyrie ?). So I assume new Vantage will too. As do Ferraris now.
If the entry/launch Vantage engine has similar characteristics to V8 DB11, it will have almost as much power as 'gen 1' V12V (503 against 510), more torque than V12VS (498 plays 450 odd) and will probably be as fast or faster as V12VS, depending which yardstick you are using (acceleration, top speed, lap times ?)
Base price of outgoing V12VS was 140kish. Base price of a somewhat dated V8 Vantage, due a complete replacement several years ago, and now to be replaced by something that is at least a two generation leap over outgoing vantage, was almost 100k. So the price of new vantage, if it's been correctly reported on here, sits between the price of outgoing v8v and v12vs. Sounds about right to me
It's fine to talk about what the price is with extras, but only if the comparisons are made like with like. I've seen mention on here of what the price of Vantage might be with lots of extras including Q (I assume with a £10k minimum spend given the way Q is going to be applied now, unless one is just talking a few of the 'Q parts'). That's fine, but does anyone know what kind of spends are involved if you go down Ferrari Atelier or Tailor Made ? Makes Q look bargain basement.
Finally, DB11 includes free servicing for 5 years and they announced each new model after DB11 would come with something similar (I wonder if that includes Valkyrie ?). So I assume new Vantage will too. As do Ferraris now.
jonby said:
More torque than V12VS (498 plays 450 odd) and will probably be as fast or faster as V12VS, depending which yardstick you are using (acceleration, top speed, lap times?)
MUCH more torque!!!! 
jonby said:
Finally, DB11 includes free servicing for 5 years and they announced each new model after DB11 would come with something similar (I wonder if that includes Valkyrie ?). So I assume new Vantage will too. As do Ferraris now.
The same servicing plan as the DB11HBradley said:
jonby said:
More torque than V12VS (498 plays 450 odd) and will probably be as fast or faster as V12VS, depending which yardstick you are using (acceleration, top speed, lap times?)
MUCH more torque!!!! do you mean new vantage will have MUCH more torque than 498, or that 498 is MUCH more than 450 ? (it's actually 457 lb ft for V12VS, having just checked )
jonby said:
HBradley said:
jonby said:
More torque than V12VS (498 plays 450 odd) and will probably be as fast or faster as V12VS, depending which yardstick you are using (acceleration, top speed, lap times?)
MUCH more torque!!!! do you mean new vantage will have MUCH more torque than 498, or that 498 is MUCH more than 450 ? (it's actually 457 lb ft for V12VS, having just checked )
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