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Jon39 said:
The rear light appears to consist of five sections.
Could it be light braking = two outer sections.
Heavier braking = four sections.
Maximum braking = five sections, with the upper section flashing.
Perhaps the sequences can be selected by the driver.
I think the high level light (centre section presumably) has to illuminate under any breaking by law.Could it be light braking = two outer sections.
Heavier braking = four sections.
Maximum braking = five sections, with the upper section flashing.
Perhaps the sequences can be selected by the driver.
Wouldn't be surprised if it all illuminates as one, the divisions are just the boot opening, and then a legal separation between the main brake lights and high level.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2018-a...
This might help
also looks like there will be a V12 version 
This might help
also looks like there will be a V12 version The turbo V12 lump in the DB11 is quite large - it's a nice idea, but if the packaging exercise on the current V12V required a shoe horn and some vaseline, the DB11 engine requires more that to sit it in the new Vantage. The 4.0 is snug as it is - all these turbo engines come with so much extra piping and ducting that fitting them in a small car is a project in itself.
Slightly off topic from the new Vantage, but while at Gaydon I did ask about engine stuff in general as it's a topic of interest to me. Hypothetically speaking, if the average Co2 across the product range was low enough, it would allow some headroom to still use the AM29 or similar in road car applications, maybe. Folks might be thankful for the RapidE when that appears.
Slightly off topic from the new Vantage, but while at Gaydon I did ask about engine stuff in general as it's a topic of interest to me. Hypothetically speaking, if the average Co2 across the product range was low enough, it would allow some headroom to still use the AM29 or similar in road car applications, maybe. Folks might be thankful for the RapidE when that appears.
V12Hunter said:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2018-a...
This might help also looks like there will be a V12 version
Doesn’t make sense to put an extra 115kg V12 in a car that, with a few ECU tweaks can probably surpass 600bhp with a V8. Not that they’ll do that of course, but the S should be around 550.This might help
also looks like there will be a V12 version fuelracer496 said:
Slightly off topic from the new Vantage, but while at Gaydon I did ask about engine stuff in general as it's a topic of interest to me. Hypothetically speaking, if the average Co2 across the product range was low enough, it would allow some headroom to still use the AM29 or similar in road car applications, maybe. Folks might be thankful for the RapidE when that appears.
It's a nice idea in some ways, but do you think it likely ?Whilst many of us love the noise and throttle response of the n/a V12, unless they were to invest big bucks again in developing it further, I assume the gap between AM29 and newer turbo charged engines for economy figures, CO2, torque and soon, power, will simply render the engine to be deemed too archaic for current production cars ? It's one thing for Ferrari to persevere with a n.a V12 - they are getting 20% more power per litre out of theirs but for Aston, the development cost to get significantly more out of AM29 compared to possible sales I would have thought, simply doesn't stack up and if they don't develop AM29 any further, I can't really see it selling
One thing that really intrigues me is what engine they might put in their 'affordable' mid engined car that's supposedly coming in just a few years time
It's a very good point, and the same could be said (but often isn't as it might upset the purists) of the manual gearbox. The brand is at a point of transition between analogue and digital cars - from a driving experience point of view, the new Vantage is closer in DNA to the DB11 than the current Vantage, and that's a 15(ish) year leap in technology. As such, personally I don't think a manual gearbox would fit the character of the new car, but it's a very subjective thing. They're by no means archaic, but when the rest of the package has moved with the times, the transmission might feel out of place - again, just my take on it.
Being in the minority that adore the DB11 V12, and in particular its engine, I'd love to see it in the new Vantage, but it's simply a massive lump of a thing that probably wont fit under the bonnet. It has grunt everywhere and sounds wonderful (caveat; with the sports exhaust). It carries a weight penalty though, and I doubt people will feel short changed by the new Vantage in standard form anyway. The S wont wouldn't follow for quite a while after (noted above, the 4.0 unit being a different one in each power output, not just a re-chip / boost tweak).
obligatory V12 photo from when I raised that gurt big bonnet the weekend I had it
Ferrari's use of N/A V12 is admirable, but the giddy heights they make their peak power figures at now, make them less usable in the real world (for me to joy of Astons was always that they had real world performance and didn't chase the top trumps numbers, in favour of being more accessible to fling you down the road at unsafe velocities).
Being in the minority that adore the DB11 V12, and in particular its engine, I'd love to see it in the new Vantage, but it's simply a massive lump of a thing that probably wont fit under the bonnet. It has grunt everywhere and sounds wonderful (caveat; with the sports exhaust). It carries a weight penalty though, and I doubt people will feel short changed by the new Vantage in standard form anyway. The S wont wouldn't follow for quite a while after (noted above, the 4.0 unit being a different one in each power output, not just a re-chip / boost tweak).
obligatory V12 photo from when I raised that gurt big bonnet the weekend I had it
Ferrari's use of N/A V12 is admirable, but the giddy heights they make their peak power figures at now, make them less usable in the real world (for me to joy of Astons was always that they had real world performance and didn't chase the top trumps numbers, in favour of being more accessible to fling you down the road at unsafe velocities).
fuelracer496 said:
It's a very good point, and the same could be said (but often isn't as it might upset the purists) of the manual gearbox. The brand is at a point of transition between analogue and digital cars - from a driving experience point of view, the new Vantage is closer in DNA to the DB11 than the current Vantage, and that's a 15(ish) year leap in technology. As such, personally I don't think a manual gearbox would fit the character of the new car, but it's a very subjective thing. They're by no means archaic, but when the rest of the package has moved with the times, the transmission might feel out of place - again, just my take on it.
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Funnily enough, I said the same when I first viewed new Vantage - as someone with a manual AMR on order which I hope will be a keeper, I love the idea of an iteration of new vantage to sit alongside it one day, but I suspect as you say, flappy paddles may well be more in keeping with the tech of the new car.
kith said:
I'm sure they will offer it but I expect the take-up will be minimal, given, as others have said, this will be a leap forward technologically in all other respect.
Yes, especially since the 8 spd zf is so good already. It will be interesting. Looking forward to mine arriving, but wouldn't mind something with a manual and 600hp down the line
cowboyengineer said:
When I was at the factory, they said a manual would be coming.
I don't think there's been any doubt it's happening - it's been publicly confirmed by AP several times over the last year, specifically in relation to Vantage. I think it's great the option will be there. But whilst I'd wait until personally driving both before making a decision, again techwise I wonder how good the fit will be. Jag confirmed pre launch they would offer F type with a manual but it took them what, a couple of years after launch til they did ? By which time, the car was selling well with the ZF box. When they did launch manual, it was only on a small number of iterations (F type has numerous engine and drive options). I assume but actually have no idea, they don't make up a big number of sales ? I wonder if Vantage will follow that direction or have manual pushed as a serious option across most future iterations ?
kith said:
Looking at 2015-onwards F-Types on Auto Trader, there are 325 autos for sale versus 17 manuals, gives some indication of the take-up rates on these type of cars.
Sadly, I think the people wanting manual gearboxes are definitely in the minority, and getting fewer by the year. I suspect Aston would want / need to have a level of uptake to justify the development costs, so let’s hope there is enough interest for the manual gearbox to be made available. kith said:
Looking at 2015-onwards F-Types on Auto Trader, there are 325 autos for sale versus 17 manuals, gives some indication of the take-up rates on these type of cars.
thought F Type manual in UK only available on base V6 340 model I thought - so not available on V6S, any AWD or V8 modelsJon39 said:
These days that tends to mean 'Internet Connectivity'.
Do we really need a new topic, 'What are you doing with your Aston NOW ?'
I suppose if it is standard fit in a Vauxhall Adam, we cannot lag behind.
NeinFondue said:
kith said:
Looking at 2015-onwards F-Types on Auto Trader, there are 325 autos for sale versus 17 manuals, gives some indication of the take-up rates on these type of cars.
Sadly, I think the people wanting manual gearboxes are definitely in the minority, and getting fewer by the year. I suspect Aston would want / need to have a level of uptake to justify the development costs, so let’s hope there is enough interest for the manual gearbox to be made available. To be fair to them, they almost can't win - lots of us clamour for manual, AMRs percentage with manual transmission seems very high, but I suspect take up in new vantage would be relatively low even if it were properly pushed as an option.
IMO what they should do is take a Porsche-like approach (911r, GT4, boxter spyder) which is to offer a single variant of vantage, with manual as the only transmission, where everything about the car is in keeping with that transmission, so perhaps using lighter weight, a throwback interior, stripped back exterior, etc. That may work better for both aston and buyer,s than simply offering manual as an alternative across what I assume will be a range of vantages in due course, because as others have said, the more tech moves on, the more the transmission needs engineering into the car from the outset. That's far more important when the flappy paddle option is a ZF auto (or DSG) than when it's the SSII/III in outgoing Vantage
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