Discussion
silverspeed said:
What's the impact been on DB9 prices since introduction of DB11 ? New Vantage might follow the same trend I would have thought.
I think they are moving the game on so much it will be a good thing for V8 owners in so much as the cost to change will be a big chunk for a good while. Another factor will of course be how well received the "new look" is.
My point earlier was mid next year we will have new Vantage and old V12V at a very similar price. The punters will then have to decide old school or new tech as performance I imagine will be virtually identical.
AMDBSVNick said:
I think they are moving the game on so much it will be a good thing for V8 owners in so much as the cost to change will be a big chunk for a good while.
Another factor will of course be how well received the "new look" is.
My point earlier was mid next year we will have new Vantage and old V12V at a very similar price. The punters will then have to decide old school or new tech as performance I imagine will be virtually identical.
The killer deals will be on used 2018 or 19 (not sure what year the new Vantage will be?) AMG engine Vantage. Their residuals will drop like a stone. Another factor will of course be how well received the "new look" is.
My point earlier was mid next year we will have new Vantage and old V12V at a very similar price. The punters will then have to decide old school or new tech as performance I imagine will be virtually identical.
AdamV8V said:
Jon39 said:
An economic upset would have more affect upon demand.
What could possibly cause that? I thought everything was going to be rosey when we left the EU, we'd get a great a trade deal and the NHS would get their £350m a week etc etc 
( We cannot say much more until next Tuesday on this topic, so here is some waffle to fill in time. )
When it comes to forecasts, I prefer to listen to experienced business people, rather than politicians.
With the EU continuing to want money, although they now don't want our dogs or cats, there was an interesting suggestion put forward yesterday, to resolve the deadlock. The idea came from the Catalonia situation.
England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, should all declare independence.
Scotland would remain in the UK, and therefore the EU, which they seem to want (although puzzling when 40% of their exports go to England).
Then for the first time, Scotland would have to start paying for things. - boom boom
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 15th November 16:25
V8 Vantage GT said:
The killer deals will be on used 2018 or 19 (not sure what year the new Vantage will be?) AMG engine Vantage. Their residuals will drop like a stone.
Personally I think (hope) that prices will stay high for at least the first 6-12 months, having seen the car I think it is an incredibly desirable thing and will build up a big waiting list without any trouble 
Venturist said:
Personally I think (hope) that prices will stay high for at least the first 6-12 months, having seen the car I think it is an incredibly desirable thing and will build up a big waiting list without any trouble
It may, there are always those customers for the first year or two where price is no object and are willing to pay way over MSRP to be first to have the car. But after a year or so they are gone. This car is going to be around for a long time just like the out going model. Long waiting lists and paying over window won't have much affect on residuals down the road. Look at the Vanquish and the V12S, they lose 1/2 their value in the first couple of years, I can't see the Vantage, Aston's bread and butter car being any different.
Have you looked at the residuals on high end Mercedes AMG's?
peteA said:
This image arrived in a Christmas card i received yesterday...
I thought ah new Vantage but was dissapointed to see DB11
I’m really surprised to see no actual leaked images yet - good job AM!
So of absolutely no value to this thread at all I thought ah new Vantage but was dissapointed to see DB11
I’m really surprised to see no actual leaked images yet - good job AM!
Edited by peteA on Thursday 16th November 08:09
Edited by peteA on Thursday 16th November 08:11
V8 Vantage GT said:
Venturist said:
Personally I think (hope) that prices will stay high for at least the first 6-12 months, having seen the car I think it is an incredibly desirable thing and will build up a big waiting list without any trouble
It may, there are always those customers for the first year or two where price is no object and are willing to pay way over MSRP to be first to have the car. But after a year or so they are gone. This car is going to be around for a long time just like the out going model. Long waiting lists and paying over window won't have much affect on residuals down the road. Look at the Vanquish and the V12S, they lose 1/2 their value in the first couple of years, I can't see the Vantage, Aston's bread and butter car being any different.
Have you looked at the residuals on high end Mercedes AMG's?
jonby said:
That is of course all correct historically. The big question is, once they have the new models rolling out in quick succession, will that have a significant impact. In addition to the one main model launch per year (DB11, Vantage, Vanquish/DBS, etc), there are volante versions of most of them to come, plus presumably there will be 'S' versions, AMRs, etc. The theory, I guess, is that they can reign in production numbers for each model a couple of years after they are launched, because demand for newer models will be higher. If so, that would help residuals. The theory has merit. Whether it can be implemented in practice is another matter
All just a bonus for me if so, I love the car and want it regardless so I’ve written off the cost, but if I was able to run for a year and make back say over 75% what I paid then I’ll be a very happy man and inclined to buy again in future!Venturist said:
jonby said:
That is of course all correct historically. The big question is, once they have the new models rolling out in quick succession, will that have a significant impact. In addition to the one main model launch per year (DB11, Vantage, Vanquish/DBS, etc), there are volante versions of most of them to come, plus presumably there will be 'S' versions, AMRs, etc. The theory, I guess, is that they can reign in production numbers for each model a couple of years after they are launched, because demand for newer models will be higher. If so, that would help residuals. The theory has merit. Whether it can be implemented in practice is another matter
All just a bonus for me if so, I love the car and want it regardless so I’ve written off the cost, but if I was able to run for a year and make back say over 75% what I paid then I’ll be a very happy man and inclined to buy again in future!:-)
jonby said:
That is of course all correct historically. The big question is, once they have the new models rolling out in quick succession, will that have a significant impact. In addition to the one main model launch per year (DB11, Vantage, Vanquish/DBS, etc), there are volante versions of most of them to come, plus presumably there will be 'S' versions, AMRs, etc. The theory, I guess, is that they can reign in production numbers for each model a couple of years after they are launched, because demand for newer models will be higher. If so, that would help residuals. The theory has merit. Whether it can be implemented in practice is another matter
Reign in production? Makes no sense. Corporations are in the business to grow, expand, make money. Aston Martin is no differnce. Look at Porsche etc.V8 Vantage GT said:
Reign in production? Makes no sense. Corporations are in the business to grow, expand, make money. Aston Martin is no differnce. Look at Porsche etc.
Not overall production, earlier models.
With the oft spoken about one new model per year, the usual strong initial demand allows production to be increased on the latest model, whereas demand on the earlier models gradually decreases.
The plan (publicly mentioned) is for sports car production to be maintained as near as possible to the maximum capacity of 7,000 cars per annum.
I think Gaydon can, or do run two shifts. A third shift is not considered economic, because there have to be stops for maintenance. Paying a premium for night working, then have those employees standing around while the line has stopped, is obviously not sensible.
It is also felt that 7,000 might be about the limit for expensive sports cars. Have Ferrari set a similar annual production limit?
Jon39 said:
V8 Vantage GT said:
Reign in production? Makes no sense. Corporations are in the business to grow, expand, make money. Aston Martin is no differnce. Look at Porsche etc.
Not overall production, earlier models.
With the oft spoken about one new model per year, the usual strong initial demand allows production to be increased on the latest model, whereas demand on the earlier models gradually decreases.
The plan (publicly mentioned) is for sports car production to be maintained as near as possible to the maximum capacity of 7,000 cars per annum.
I think Gaydon can, or do run two shifts. A third shift is not considered economic, because there have to be stops for maintenance. Paying a premium for night working, then have those employees standing around while the line has stopped, is obviously not sensible.
It is also felt that 7,000 might be about the limit for expensive sports cars. Have Ferrari set a similar annual production limit?
but as you say, with a 7k stated limit for the 2 door cars at gaydon, the theory is the latest cars in yrs 1 & 2 of their life will make up a large proportion of production lessening the need to pump out lots of older models.
I don't think there is much doubt that's the aim. Hopefully it can be the reality too
Venturist said:
All just a bonus for me if so, I love the car and want it regardless so I’ve written off the cost, but if I was able to run for a year and make back say over 75% what I paid then I’ll be a very happy man and inclined to buy again in future!
I reckon they will be strong residual value cars.....Nothingspecial said:
I've not seen final pricing but I don't think I'm breaking any covenants by saying that although it's likely to be more expensive vs the current model (which any dealer will tell you) from what I understand a very well specced one will be somewhat below that figure.
Clear as mud then...but safe to say it's not a £150k car.
I don’t think it is safe to say that...I don’t want to say too much until after 21st but I think it’s safe to say I have specced mine and should be Clear as mud then...but safe to say it's not a £150k car.
one. Hopefully in Q2 2018A bit against the grain here, but as a Yank living in the UK, I know I will have to eventually sell the V12V when I move back. Tempting as the new Vantage will be, I’m thinking of something entirely different for my US retirement. Am putting a deposit on this for delivery in the US, likely well after 2020.
https://youtu.be/Gd9JQAkcYak
https://youtu.be/Gd9JQAkcYak
Edited by 12pack on Friday 17th November 10:28
waremark said:
FrankieMac said:
....... I have specced mine and should be one. Hopefully in Q2 2018
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