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I have a v8s which has the OEM Bridgestones in 245/40 and 285/35 sizing. I have never liked them, so my car is currently having a new set of Continental Sport Contact 6 tyres fitted all round. Before someone mentions the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, they are not available for the correct tyre width on the front, and reducing the front tyre width is not acceptable for me. Continentals used to be available is the correct sizes front and rear, however at the moment I couldn't find 285/35 for the rear, so I got 275/35 instead. This is the size for the non s vantages, so still OEM sizing.
I will report back on what I make of the Continentals as a tyre, and also how I get on with the slight reduction is rear tyre width.
I have a v8s which has the OEM Bridgestones in 245/40 and 285/35 sizing. I have never liked them, so my car is currently having a new set of Continental Sport Contact 6 tyres fitted all round. Before someone mentions the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, they are not available for the correct tyre width on the front, and reducing the front tyre width is not acceptable for me. Continentals used to be available is the correct sizes front and rear, however at the moment I couldn't find 285/35 for the rear, so I got 275/35 instead. This is the size for the non s vantages, so still OEM sizing.
I will report back on what I make of the Continentals as a tyre, and also how I get on with the slight reduction is rear tyre width.
cypriot said:
.... I couldn't find 285/35 for the rear, so I got 275/35 instead. This is the size for the non s vantages, so still OEM sizing.
I will report back on what I make of the Continentals as a tyre, and also how I get on with the slight reduction is rear tyre width.
Interessting, I went for the 245/40 & 275/35 combination on purpose.I will report back on what I make of the Continentals as a tyre, and also how I get on with the slight reduction is rear tyre width.
Due to lack of sizes at Michelin, I tried the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport, coming from the PS4s in stock size 235/40 & 275/35.
Driven up to now aprox 500km with the Goodyear.
to be fair I changed the worn upper a arms against V12s ones and went from 235 to 245 front at the same time, so the comparison is not fully correct...
In a nutshell, the PS4s offers
- more grip on cold wet roads and
- a lot more comfort in the way it deals with small bumps.
- had a tendency to aquaplane during heavy rain below 5mm thread depth.
- the front never ensured full trust under heavy cornering
- fronts wore relative strong
The Goodyear in comparison has
- superiour steering feel and corner control
- amazing dry grip, which is easier to explore due to better feedback
- a tad less grip on cold wet roads, tends to move a little but still feels very controllable
- definitely less comfort, slightly "crashy" especially at cold temperatures.
cant comment on aquaplaning yet, however the grooves are wider, so should potentially be better
cant comment on wear yet
In general I think now the 235 is a bit narrow for the weight of the V8V, especially with a tire of softer sidewall construction (aka PS4s).
TR-Spider said:
Interessting, I went for the 245/40 & 275/35 combination on purpose.
Due to lack of sizes at Michelin, I tried the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport, coming from the PS4s in stock size 235/40 & 275/35.
Driven up to now aprox 500km with the Goodyear.
to be fair I changed the worn upper a arms against V12s ones and went from 235 to 245 front at the same time, so the comparison is not fully correct...
In a nutshell, the PS4s offers
- more grip on cold wet roads and
- a lot more comfort in the way it deals with small bumps.
- had a tendency to aquaplane during heavy rain below 5mm thread depth.
- the front never ensured full trust under heavy cornering
- fronts wore relative strong
The Goodyear in comparison has
- superiour steering feel and corner control
- amazing dry grip, which is easier to explore due to better feedback
- a tad less grip on cold wet roads, tends to move a little but still feels very controllable
- definitely less comfort, slightly "crashy" especially at cold temperatures.
cant comment on aquaplaning yet, however the grooves are wider, so should potentially be better
cant comment on wear yet
In general I think now the 235 is a bit narrow for the weight of the V8V, especially with a tire of softer sidewall construction (aka PS4s).
I've done a proper back to back test of these tyres (it's on youtube, not sure I'm allowed to link) and you've nailed the differences really well, I'm impressed.Due to lack of sizes at Michelin, I tried the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supersport, coming from the PS4s in stock size 235/40 & 275/35.
Driven up to now aprox 500km with the Goodyear.
to be fair I changed the worn upper a arms against V12s ones and went from 235 to 245 front at the same time, so the comparison is not fully correct...
In a nutshell, the PS4s offers
- more grip on cold wet roads and
- a lot more comfort in the way it deals with small bumps.
- had a tendency to aquaplane during heavy rain below 5mm thread depth.
- the front never ensured full trust under heavy cornering
- fronts wore relative strong
The Goodyear in comparison has
- superiour steering feel and corner control
- amazing dry grip, which is easier to explore due to better feedback
- a tad less grip on cold wet roads, tends to move a little but still feels very controllable
- definitely less comfort, slightly "crashy" especially at cold temperatures.
cant comment on aquaplaning yet, however the grooves are wider, so should potentially be better
cant comment on wear yet
In general I think now the 235 is a bit narrow for the weight of the V8V, especially with a tire of softer sidewall construction (aka PS4s).
As for the poster with the SportContact 6, you're gonna really enjoy that tyre. Please leave feedback once you've got some miles!
jon- said:
I've done a proper back to back test of these tyres (it's on youtube, not sure I'm allowed to link) and you've nailed the differences really well, I'm impressed.
As for the poster with the SportContact 6, you're gonna really enjoy that tyre. Please leave feedback once you've got some miles!
Ah! you must be Mr. Tyrereviews! Love your videos, great work. It is actually from your many reviews that I have decided on the Contis, and specifically from your "do wider tyres give more grip" video that I was happy to go a narrower rear, but keep the front the same in order to get a more square setup. So much appreciated for the videos! I will let you know my thoughts when I get the car back. CheersAs for the poster with the SportContact 6, you're gonna really enjoy that tyre. Please leave feedback once you've got some miles!
Another good tire choice is the Continental ExtremeContact Sport, I am running 255/35R19 19x9 ET40 and 305/30R19 19x11 ET52 on HRE P101. They are great tire and according to some review better than the PS4 in the wet, I don't know if it is true but I have been running those tires for a while and like the ride quality and I don't track my car so why pay more for a great track tire that wear faster. Just my point of view
jon- said:
I've done a proper back to back test of these tyres (it's on youtube, not sure I'm allowed to link) and you've nailed the differences really well, I'm impressed.
High praise from a professional - thanks!I enjoyed looking at your Tire Review youtube channel - that's real good work.
It's always useful to others to leave a review on the website too if you ever get the time OK, I have had the Continental Sport Contact 6 tyres on my vantage for a couple of weeks now, so I can give an initial impressions now. For clarity, my car is a late v8 vantage, so on 430 bhp, and came on the OEM Bridgestones in 245/40 and 285/35 sizes.
The tyres now fitted are the aforementioned Continentals, with 245/40 and 275/35 sizing. I chose this reduced rear sizing due to 285 not being available at the moment for Contis, and also because I never felt the car was lacking in rear grip (it's not a v12 guys!) so a very slight decrease wasn't an issue - in fact it reduces the unsprung weight even more!
Now to how the actual tyres themselves feel. I have mainly done motorway driving, and then lumpy bumpy city driving. The first thing you notice is the increase in ride quality over the Bridgestones. What do I mean by that? The harshness I used to get when going over bumps has gone. The Contis do a really good job of smoothing off the edges, so you no longer wince going over a bump! This also means the ride is less fidgety when you are doing like 40mph as well. I can confirm this "scientifically" as i used to have an annoying trim creak that has now 95% gone. I only get the creak going over the hardest of bumps - this means the ride is smoother now. The next thing you notice are that the tyres are quieter on the motorway than the bridgestones. It is not night and day, but definitely an improvement, and a welcome one when combined with the better ride.
Now the only item left for me to discover is how the tyre performs on a spirited drive/track day compared to the Bridgestone. I haven't done this yet, however from the past 2/3 weeks on the Contis, I haven't noticed a reduction in feedback, which is something you would normally associate with an increase is ride quality. You may say that you can't tell the difference when driving normally, but from experience you can. On you previous car I swapped out my Pilot Supersports for Cup 2s, and the feedback you got within the first 100m of rolling was obvious.
So in summary, the Conti is cheaper, smoother, quieter, lighter, and has better wet grip than the OEM bridgestones. All of this with (so far) zero downsides - literally none. All I can say is that when you need to change your tyres, do not put the Bridgestones back on. I will come back with a final verdict once I have done some fast driving on them.
The tyres now fitted are the aforementioned Continentals, with 245/40 and 275/35 sizing. I chose this reduced rear sizing due to 285 not being available at the moment for Contis, and also because I never felt the car was lacking in rear grip (it's not a v12 guys!) so a very slight decrease wasn't an issue - in fact it reduces the unsprung weight even more!
Now to how the actual tyres themselves feel. I have mainly done motorway driving, and then lumpy bumpy city driving. The first thing you notice is the increase in ride quality over the Bridgestones. What do I mean by that? The harshness I used to get when going over bumps has gone. The Contis do a really good job of smoothing off the edges, so you no longer wince going over a bump! This also means the ride is less fidgety when you are doing like 40mph as well. I can confirm this "scientifically" as i used to have an annoying trim creak that has now 95% gone. I only get the creak going over the hardest of bumps - this means the ride is smoother now. The next thing you notice are that the tyres are quieter on the motorway than the bridgestones. It is not night and day, but definitely an improvement, and a welcome one when combined with the better ride.
Now the only item left for me to discover is how the tyre performs on a spirited drive/track day compared to the Bridgestone. I haven't done this yet, however from the past 2/3 weeks on the Contis, I haven't noticed a reduction in feedback, which is something you would normally associate with an increase is ride quality. You may say that you can't tell the difference when driving normally, but from experience you can. On you previous car I swapped out my Pilot Supersports for Cup 2s, and the feedback you got within the first 100m of rolling was obvious.
So in summary, the Conti is cheaper, smoother, quieter, lighter, and has better wet grip than the OEM bridgestones. All of this with (so far) zero downsides - literally none. All I can say is that when you need to change your tyres, do not put the Bridgestones back on. I will come back with a final verdict once I have done some fast driving on them.
I have a doubt.
Currently, I have the OEM Bridgestone (235/40R19 front & 275/35R19 rear) on my N420, and like everybody and their mother I would like to swap them for Michelin PS4S in Vantage S size (like Richard from Redpants is suggesting) hence 245/40R19 front & 285/35R19 rear.
Then, in the manual, I came across the following:
Why in the world SportPack wheels should not be ok with Vantage S sizes?
Of course, my car being a N420 I have the SportPack package, including the wheels.
Currently, I have the OEM Bridgestone (235/40R19 front & 275/35R19 rear) on my N420, and like everybody and their mother I would like to swap them for Michelin PS4S in Vantage S size (like Richard from Redpants is suggesting) hence 245/40R19 front & 285/35R19 rear.
Then, in the manual, I came across the following:
Why in the world SportPack wheels should not be ok with Vantage S sizes?
Of course, my car being a N420 I have the SportPack package, including the wheels.
i think the manual is referring the specific tyre (the P-zero) not being available in the larger sizes, not that the wheels themselves can't take the wider tyres. You can definitely put the 245/285 sizes on, as the wheels themselves do not change in size, just the tyre size when you look at N430s for example
cypriot said:
i think the manual is referring the specific tyre (the P-zero) not being available in the larger sizes, not that the wheels themselves can't take the wider tyres. You can definitely put the 245/285 sizes on, as the wheels themselves do not change in size, just the tyre size when you look at N430s for example
Ok, thank you for your advice!EVR said:
Of course it's trouble finding the PS4S fronts in 245 size, but this is no news.
I found some but Runflat, what could be the possible problems if go down this route? Stiffer tyres? And the rear would be non-Runflat, any trouble in mixing? They will all be Michelin PS4S of course.
do you realise you are going down the same path as me, right?:P Do not get run flats, they are terrible. Either stay 235/275 with the PS4S, or do what what i did with the Continentals.I found some but Runflat, what could be the possible problems if go down this route? Stiffer tyres? And the rear would be non-Runflat, any trouble in mixing? They will all be Michelin PS4S of course.
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